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42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot
Cap badge of the 42nd Regiment of Foot
Active1739–1881
Country Kingdom of Great Britain (1739–1800)
 United Kingdom (1801–1881)
Branch British Army
TypeLine Infantry
Garrison/HQQueen's Barracks, Perth
Nickname(s)Black Watch
Forty-Twa
Black Jocks
Motto(s)(Scotland's) Nemo me impune lacessit
Engagements
Battle honours

The 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot was a Scottish infantry regiment in the British Army also known as the Black Watch. Originally titled Crawford's Highlanders or the Highland Regiment (mustered 1739) and numbered 43rd in the line, in 1748, on the disbanding of Oglethorpe's Regiment of Foot, they were renumbered 42nd, and in 1751 formally titled the 42nd (Highland) Regiment of Foot. The 42nd Regiment was one of the first three Highland Regiments to fight in North America.[1][2] The unit was honoured with the name Royal Highland Regiment in 1758.[3] Its informal name Black Watch became official in 1861.[4] In 1881, the regiment was amalgamated with 73rd (Perthshire) Regiment of Foot under the Childers Reforms into The Royal Highland Regiment (The Black Watch), being officially redesignated The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) in 1931. In 2006, the Black Watch became part of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.

History

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Early history

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Main article: Independent Highland Companies
Memorial to Sir Robert Henry Dick at the St. George's Cathedral, Madras, India, depicting a 42nd Highlander in full uniform resting against a pedestal, on which is inscribed the battle roll of the regiment[5]

After the Jacobite rising of 1715 the British government did not have the resources or manpower to keep a standing army in the Scottish Highlands. As a result, they were forced to keep order by recruiting men from local Highland clans that had been loyal to the Whigs. This proved to be unsuccessful in deterring crime, especially cattle rustling. Therefore, Independent Highland Companies (of what would be known as the "Black Watch") were raised as a militia in 1725 by General George Wade to keep "watch" for crime.[6] He was commissioned to build a network of roads to help in the task.[7] The six Independent Highland Companies were recruited from local clans, with one company coming from Clan Munro, one from Clan Fraser of Lovat, one from Clan Grant and three from Clan Campbell. These companies were commonly known as Am Freiceadan Dubh, or the Black Watch, this name may well have been due to the way they dressed.[8] Four more companies were added in 1739 to make a total of ten Independent Highland Companies.[9]

The ten Independent Highland Companies of "Black Watch" were officially formed into the "43rd Highland Regiment of Foot", a regiment of the line in 1739.[9] It was first mustered in 1740, at Aberfeldy, Scotland. The Colonel was John Lindsay, 20th Earl of Crawford and the Lieutenant-Colonel was Sir Robert Munro, 6th Baronet. Among the Captains were his next brother, George Munro, 1st of Culcairn (also a Captain of an Independent Company raised in 1745) and their cousin John Munro, 4th of Newmore, who was promoted Lieutenant-Colonel in 1745 (in place of Sir Robert who went on to command the 37th (North Hampshire) Regiment of Foot). The other Captains of the 43rd were George Grant, Colin Campbell of Monzie, James Colquhoun of Luss, John Campbell of Carrick, Collin Campbell of Balliemore and Dougal Campbell of Craignish.[10]

First action and mutiny

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In March 1743, the regiment was assembled at Perth in preparation for moving to London, then Flanders to join British forces fighting in the War of the Austrian Succession. Scottish officials, including the Lord President of the Court of Session, Duncan Forbes warned the government this was contrary to a general understanding their service was restricted to Scotland. Assured the move was only because George II wanted to inspect them, they arrived in London in May and were then ordered to Gravesend for shipment to Flanders. Anger at the deception, allied to rumours they were going to the West Indies, a location notorious for high mortality rates, caused a mutiny; they set out for Scotland, led by Corporals Malcolm and Samuel MacPherson and Private Farquhar Shaw.[11] They reached Ladywood on the outskirts of Oundle, Northamptonshire on 22 May before being intercepted. The mutineers surrendered in hope of a free pardon but were marched back to London and incarcerated in the Tower of London. The three leaders of the mutiny were subsequently court-martialed and executed by firing squad on 18 July 1743, at Tower Green. Two hundred other members of the regiment were distributed variously to garrisons in Jamaica, Gibraltar and Menorca, with the remainder shipped to Flanders.[12][13]

The regiment's first full combat was the disastrous Battle of Fontenoy in May 1745, where they surprised the French with their ferocity, and greatly impressed their commander, the Duke of Cumberland.[14] Allowed "their own way of fighting", each time they received the French fire Colonel Sir Robert Munro ordered his men to "clap to the ground" while he himself, because of his corpulence, stood alone with the colours behind him.[13]

When the Jacobite rising of 1745 broke out, another three companies were raised in Scotland, one being present at the Battle of Prestonpans in September 1745 where the entire company was either killed or taken prisoner.[15] Another fought for the government under Dugald Campbell of Auchrossan at the Battle of Culloden in April 1746 where they suffered no casualties.[16][17] These three companies were disbanded in 1748.[15]

The rest of the regiment landed in England on 4 November and remained there in anticipation of a possible French invasion until after the rebellion ended. From early 1747 to the end of 1748, it was in Flanders but otherwise was stationed in Ireland until 1756. In 1749, after Oglethorpe's Regiment of Foot was disbanded and the Black Watch was re-numbered the 42nd and in 1751 formally titled the 42nd (Highland) Regiment of Foot.[15] On the outbreak of the Seven Years' War in 1756, it was sent to North America.[18]

The Americas

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"An Officer & Serjeant of a Highland Regiment". c.1740

During the French and Indian War, at the first battle of Ticonderoga, also known as the Battle of Carillon, the regiment lost over half of its men in the assault in July 1758.[19][20] At that time they were already officially recognized as a Royal regiment.[21] The second battalion of the Black Watch was sent to the Caribbean[22] but after the losses of Ticonderoga, the two battalions were consolidated in New York. The regiment was present at the second battle of Ticonderoga in July 1759 and the surrender of Montreal in September 1760. They were sent to the West Indies again where they saw action at Havana, Martinique and Guadeloupe.[13]

Between 1758 and 1767 the 42nd served in America. In August 1763, the regiment fought in the Battle of Bushy Run while trying to relieve Fort Pitt, modern Pittsburgh, during Pontiac's Rebellion.[23] The regiment went to Cork, Ireland in 1767 and returned to Scotland in 1775.[13]

During the American Revolutionary War, the regiment was involved in the defeat of George Washington in the Battle of Long Island in August 1776[24] and saw combat at the Battle of Harlem Heights in September 1776, the Battle of Fort Washington in November 1776 and the Battle of Piscataway in February 1777. It also fought at the Battle of Brandywine (light infantry and grenadier companies only) in September 1777,[25] the Battle of Germantown (Light Company only) in October 1777[26] and the Battle of Monmouth in June 1778 as well as the siege of Charleston in spring 1780.[27] In September 1778 a detachment from the regiment raided Fairhaven, Massachusetts, inflicting severe damage on the town's shipping industry.[13]

Following the end of the war in America, the 42nd were posted to Nova Scotia in 1783,[28] serving there until 1786 when they moved north to Cape Breton Island. The regiment returned to England in 1789.[29] Landing at Portsmouth, they marched to Tynemouth in Northumberland and in the spring of 1790 marched on to Glasgow, before taking up residence at Edinburgh Castle in November 1790.[30]

French Revolutionary Wars

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The landing of British troops at Aboukir, 8 March 1801

On 8 March 1801, The 42nd took part in the Battle of Aboukir, a decisive victory by the British expeditionary force. At 9 am the troops beached their craft under a rainstorm of a French cannonade and musket fire from 2,500 French positioned on the high dunes. The troops disembarked, formed a line, fixed bayonets and advanced, undaunted by the enemy fire. With General Moore leading the landing force. The 42nd, located in the centre of the landing force, struggled up the steep soft sandy ground. The French appeared at the summit and poured a destructive musket volley at the advancing soldiers. The lead troops of the 42nd reached the summit before the French could reload and launched a bayonet charge, hurling them back in confusion. The French counter attacked with a squadron of cavalry, a second bayonet charge by the 42nd caused them to flee. The British losses were 102 all ranks killed and 515 wounded; of these the 42nd Highlanders had 31 killed. The commanding officer, Lt Colonel James Stewart, 6 officers, 7 sergeants, 4 Drummers, and 140 rank and file were wounded. James Stewart had been wounded along with a few soldiers as the boats came into shore. The leadership by the company commanders and subsequent success against an enemy of double the British numbers was noteworthy.[31]

The Battle of Aboukir allowed a bridgehead to be created as a prelude to the Battle of Alexandria thirteen days later on the 21st March 1801. The 42nd was commanded by Lt Colonel Alexander Stewart after the wounding of Lt Col James Stewart at Aboukir. During the Battle Major Stirling captured a standard from the French which he handed to Sergeant Sinclair who was later wounded and subsequently the standard was lost.[32]

They went on to besiege Cairo and then Alexandria in which the French forces were expelled from Egypt.[13]

Peninsular War

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Black Watch depicted guarding Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington.
See also: British Army during the Napoleonic Wars

The 1st battalion embarked for Portugal in August 1808 for service in the Peninsular War.[33] At the Battle of Corunna in January 1809[34] it was a soldier of the 42nd Highlanders who carried the mortally wounded General Sir John Moore to cover, and six more who carried him to the rear, but only after he had witnessed the victory in which the stout defence of the Black Watch played a major part. Moore's army was evacuated from Spain and the 1st Battalion of the 42nd Highlanders went with them.[13]

As the 1st battalion left, the 2nd battalion was dispatched from Ireland to Spain for service in the Peninsular War. The 2nd battalion fought at the Battle of Bussaco in September 1810[35] before falling back to the Lines of Torres Vedras.[36] The 2nd battalion fought with great distinction at the Battle of Fuentes de Oñoro in May 1811,[36] the siege of Ciudad Rodrigo in January 1812[37] and the bloody siege of Badajoz in March 1812[37] before returning home to recruit.[38] The 1st battalion returned to the Peninsula in time to fight in the Battle of Salamanca in July 1812,[38] the siege of Burgos in September 1812[39] and the Battle of Vitoria in June 1813.[39] It then pursued the French Army into France and fought at the Battle of the Pyrenees in July 1813,[40] the Battle of Nivelle in November 1813[41] and the Battle of the Nive in December 1813[41] before seeing action at the Battle of Orthez in February 1814[42] and the Battle of Toulouse in April 1814.[42]

Waterloo

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Black Watch at Quatre Bras
Regimental tartan

With the war with France now apparently over, the 2nd battalion was disbanded in 1814 and some of its number transferred to the permanent 1st battalion. The now single battalion 42nd fought at the chaotic Battle of Quatre Bras on 16 June 1815[43] under Lieutenant-colonel Sir Robert Macara, who was killed by French lancers.[44] The 42nd was one of four battalions mentioned by Wellington in despatches after the battle. Two days later at the Battle of Waterloo,[45] the 42nd and also the 2nd/73rd Highlanders, which was later to become the new 2nd Battalion, Black Watch, were both in some of the most intense fighting in the battle.[13]

The Victorian era

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From 1847 to 1851 the regiment was posted to the garrison of the Imperial fortress of Bermuda, in British North America (Bermuda's garrison forming part of the Nova Scotia command until after the 1867 Confederation of Canada), arriving from Malta aboard HMS Vengeance (which had departed Malta on the 21 or 27, depending on the source) February with the 1st Battalion under Lieutenant-Colonel D. A. Cameron) and HMS Resistance (the arrival of which at Malta had been delayed, resulting in its departing with the 2nd Battalion at a later date).[46]

The 1st Battalion arrived in Bermuda on 15 April, 1847.[47] The Vengeance and Deliverance then delivered the 20th (East Devonshire) Regiment of Foot from Bermuda to Halifax, Nova Scotia.[48] The 2nd Battalion (or Reserve Battalion) under Lieutenant-Colonel MacDougall departed Malta aboard the Deliverance on the 16 March, 1847, and arrived at Bermuda on 24 of April, after stopping at Gibraltar for water.[49][50]

The convicts transported to Bermuda included many Irishmen, including participants in the ill-fated Young Irelander Rebellion of 1848 and Nationalist journalist and politician John Mitchel.[51][52][53] Conditions for the convicts were harsh, and discipline was draconian. In April 1830, convict James Ryan was shot and killed during rioting of convicts on Ireland Island. Another five convicts were given death sentences for their parts in the riots, with those of the youngest three being commuted to transportation for life. In 1849, convict James Cronin, on the hulk Medway at Ireland Island, was placed in solitary confinement from the 25th to the 29th for fighting. On release, and being returned to work, he refused to be cross-ironed. He ran onto the breakwater, brandishing a poker threateningly. For this, he was ordered to receive punishment (presumably flogging) on Tuesday, 3 July 1849, with the other convicts aboard the hulk assembled behind a rail to witness. When ordered to strip, he hesitated. Thomas Cronin, his older brother, addressed him and, while brandishing a knife, rushed forward to the separating rail. He called out to the other prisoners in Gaelic and many joined him in attempting to free the prisoner and attack the officers. The officers opened fire. Two men were killed and twelve wounded. Punishment of James Cronin was then carried out. Three hundred men of the 42nd Regiment of Foot, in barracks on Ireland Island, responded to the scene under arms.[54]

The 42nd Regiment was stationed in Bermuda at a time when the military infrastructure, as well as the naval, was undergoing development and expansion. The regiment provided working parties to clear ground in Devonshire Parish for the development of what was to become Prospect Camp and to dig a well near to the Government House on Mount Langton in Pembroke Parish during a drought in 1849. The well has been known since as Black Watch Well. In the 1930s, a pass was cut through the ridgeline from Black Watch Well, on the North Shore Road, to Marsh Folly Road, and it took its name, Black Watch Pass, from the adjacent well.[55][56]

The regiment formed part of the Highland Brigade at the Battle of Alma in September 1854 and the siege of Sevastapol in winter 1854 during the Crimean War; it also formed part of that brigade at the siege of Cawnpore in June 1857 and the siege of Lucknow in autumn 1857 during the Indian Rebellion.[13] During the siege of Cawnpore the regiment captured a gong which has tolled the hours in the regiment's guardroom ever since.[57]

As part of the Cardwell Reforms of the 1870s, where single-battalion regiments were linked together to share a single depot and recruiting district in the United Kingdom, the 40th was linked with the 79th Regiment of Foot (Cameronian Volunteers), and assigned to district no. 57 at Queen's Barracks in Perth.[58] On 1 July 1881 the Childers Reforms came into effect and the regiment amalgamated with the 73rd (Perthshire) Regiment of Foot to form the Black Watch (Royal Highlanders).[13]

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A number of songs were composed about the regiment including and "Jock MacGraw" and "The Gallant Forty Twa".[59]

The second line of Brian McNeill's song "The Baltic tae Byzantium" briefly references the 42nd as "The Gallant Forty Twa".[60]

The traditional Scots Language song "Twa Recruitin' Sergeants" refers to efforts by recruiters to lure Highlanders to the regiment.[61]

Gregory Burke's 2006 play Black Watch for the National Theatre of Scotland, based on interviews with soldiers and featuring as a recurring motif the songs The Gallant Forty Twa and Twa Recruitin' Sergeants, is a dramatised account of the regiment's part in Operation Telic.[62]

Notable soldiers

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Battle honours

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Battle honours awarded to the regiment were:[63]

Victoria Crosses

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Regimental Colonels

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Colonels of the Regiment were:[63]

42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot - (1758)

42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot, The Black Watch - (1861)

References

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  1. ^ The Highland regiments that landed in America and took part in the French and Indian War were the 42nd or Royal Highland Regiment ("The Black Watch"), the 77th Regiment of Foot and the 78th Regiment of Foot.
  2. ^ Pollard 2009, p. 63.
  3. ^ Groves, John Percy (1893). History of the 42nd Royal Highlanders – "The Black Watch" now the first battalion "The Black Watch" (Royal Highlanders) 1729–1893. Edinburgh: W. & A.K. Johnston. p. 8.
  4. ^ Groves (1893), p. 15.
  5. ^ Cotton, Julian James (1945). List of Inscriptions on Tombs & Monuments in Madras. Vol. 1. Madras, British India: Government Press. p. 488. Retrieved 2 June 2016.
  6. ^ Simpson 1996, p. 113.
  7. ^ K. S. Mackenzie, "General Wade & His Roads", paper before the Inverness Scientific Society, 13 April 1897
  8. ^ Simpson 1996, pp. 113–114.
  9. ^ a b Simpson 1996, pp. 116–117.
  10. ^ Simpson 1996, pp. 207–208.
  11. ^ Groves 2017, pp. 3–4.
  12. ^ Groves 2017, p. 4.
  13. ^ a b c d e f g h i j "42nd Royal Highland Regiment". British Empire. Retrieved 15 May 2016.
  14. ^ Cannon, p. 34
  15. ^ a b c Groves 2017, p. 6.
  16. ^ Pollard 2009, pp. 71–72.
  17. ^ Cannon, p. 40
  18. ^ Cannon, p. 45
  19. ^ Cannon, p. 46
  20. ^ "First Highland Regiments in America". Electricscotland.com. Retrieved 27 May 2017.
  21. ^ Cannon, p. 49
  22. ^ Cannon, p. 50
  23. ^ History of Pittsburgh and environs George Thornton Fleming, American Historical Company, American Historical Society, Incorporated, New York, 1922. "They waited on the commander of the fort, Captain William Murray, who received them politely and introduced them to the Rev. Mr. McLagan, the chaplain of the 42d Highlanders, then the garrison of the fort."
  24. ^ Cannon, p. 68
  25. ^ Cannon, p. 73
  26. ^ Cannon, p. 74
  27. ^ Cannon, p. 79
  28. ^ Cannon, p. 80
  29. ^ Cannon, p. 85
  30. ^ Stewart, I, p.402-403
  31. ^ Dundee Courier 7 April 1876, p.7
  32. ^ The Scots Magazine, 1 February 1803, accessed 6 September 2023
  33. ^ Cannon, p. 118
  34. ^ Cannon, p. 119
  35. ^ Cannon, p. 124
  36. ^ a b Cannon, p. 125
  37. ^ a b Cannon, p. 126
  38. ^ a b Cannon, p. 127
  39. ^ a b Cannon, p. 128
  40. ^ Cannon, p. 130
  41. ^ a b Cannon, p. 131
  42. ^ a b Cannon, p. 132
  43. ^ Cannon, p. 141
  44. ^ Dalton, Charles (1904). The Waterloo roll call. With biographical notes and anecdotes. London: Eyre and Spottiswoode. p. 158.
  45. ^ Cannon, p. 144
  46. ^ "Untitled item in Column 2". The Royal Gazette. Bermuda. 6 April 1847. p. 2. H. M. line-of-battle ship Vengeance, Capt. Lushington, having on board the 1st Batt. of the 42nd Regt, (Royal Highlanders), under the command of Lt. Col. D. A. Cameron, arrived on Thursday last from Malta, which Island they left on the 27th February.-The battalion landed on the following day at Ireland Island and at this Town. At this place, there not being sufficient accommodation for the portion of the 1st Batt. XX before in quarters here and that part of the 42nd that succeeds them-an equal number of both Regiments are in the Barracks and encamped in the rear.-This latter disposition is a very pleasing, and to many a very novel sight. The Highlanders wear their national costume, and, as might be expected, attracted crowds of persons to see them land. The following is a list of the Officers, and the number of Men, &c with the Battalion:- Lt.-Colonel D. A. Cameron. Captains-Thos Tulloch, C.Murray, A. C. Campbell. Lieutenants-Alexr. Ramsay, J. W. Wedderburn, Hon. G. H. E. Grant, J. O. Barnett, P. R. Burrows. Ensigns-W. G. Cameron, J. W. P. Orde, Wm. L. McNish, R. C. Cunninghame. Lt. & Adjt.-T. R. Drummond Hay. Paymaster-J. Wheatley. Quarter Master-E. Paton. Surgeon-Jas. McGregor. Asst.-Surgeon-W. M. Muir. M.D.. Five hundred and fourteen Non-Commissioned Officers, rank and file; twenty-four Women and 42 Children of the 1st Battalion, and 3 Non-Commissioned Officers, 8 Privates, 8 Women and 12 Children of the Reserve Battalion. We understand that they have had a very pleasant passage from Malta, and that the Resistance, with the reserve battalion was to leave about 6 days after. The following highly complimentary General Order was issued by the Lieutenant-General, Commanding at Malta, on the embarkation of this gallant and highly distinguished Corps:- Head Quarters, Valletta Malta, 24th February, 1847. [General order] On the departure of the two Battalions 42nd Royal Highlanders from this Garrison, where they have been stationed for upwards of four years; the Lieut. General Commanding, has much satisfaction, in recording, in General Orders, the high sense he entertains of the discipline, and General Good Conduct, of both the Battalions, since they have been under his command, and he begs that Lieut. Cols. Cameron and McDougall, as well as the Officers Non-Commissioned Officers and Men, will accept his best wishes, for their happiness, and prosperity wherever they may go. P. EDWARDS, Lt.-Col. and A.M.S.
  47. ^ "ARRIVAL OF THE 1ST BATTALION 42ND REGT". The Royal Gazette. Bermuda. 20 April 1847. p. 2.
  48. ^ "THE XX REGIMENT". The Royal Gazette. Bermuda. 9 February 1847.
  49. ^ "ARRIVAL OF THE SECOND BATTALION 42ND ROYAL HIGHLANDERS". The Royal Gazette. Bermuda. 27 April 1847.
  50. ^ "Untitled item in Column 1". The Royal Gazette. Bermuda. 4 May 1847. p. 2. The following is a list of the Officers and number of Men, &c, of Reserve Battalion 42nd Royal Highlanders arrived in H.M. troop ship Resistance, on Saturday 24th ult. Lt.-Colonel James MacDougall, (Commanding). Captains-H.M. Drummond, G. W. MacQuairie, J. H. Daniell, Farquhar Campbell. Lieutenants-G. M. Ross, (Act Paymaster,) E. F. G. Clavering, S. D. Abercromby. Ensigns-C.C. Graham, W. J. Cunninghame, (Act. Adjutant), R. A. Frazer. Qr. Master-C. Fraser. Surgeon H. MacKey. 24 sergeants, 11 drummers, 468 rank and file, 26 soldiers' wives, 39 children; Detachment 1st Batt., 3 Sergeants, 7 rank and File, 7 women, 15 children. Passengers in Resistance Mrs MacQuarie and 5 children Mrs Ross and 5 children Mrs MacVey and Mrs Fraser and 2 children.
  51. ^ British military presence in Bermuda[permanent dead link], The Royal Gazette, 3 February 2007
  52. ^ Convict Establishment. Bermuda Brochure, by Chris Addams and Michael Davis, 1998
  53. ^ Tri S Ranch: The Irish Slave Trade — The Forgotten "White" Slaves. The Slaves That Time Forgot, by John Martin
  54. ^ Bermuda Sampler 1815–1850, by William Zuill. Publisher: The Bermuda Book Store. 1 January 1937
  55. ^ "Black Watch Well ceremony for Thursday". The Royal Gazette. Bermuda. 20 October 2015. Retrieved 27 September 2021.
  56. ^ Hainey, Raymond (23 October 2015). "Black Watch Well rededication ceremony". The Royal Gazette. Bermuda. Retrieved 27 September 2021.
  57. ^ "The Cawnpore Gong". Black Watch. Archived from the original on 24 December 2016. Retrieved 23 December 2016.
  58. ^ "Training Depots". Regiments.org. Archived from the original on 10 February 2006. Retrieved 16 October 2016.
  59. ^ "Wha Saw the 42nd". Digital Tradition Mirror. Retrieved 8 May 2016.
  60. ^ "The Baltic tae Byzantium". Musixmatch. Retrieved 8 May 2016.
  61. ^ "Traditional Scottish Songs - Twa Recruitin' Sergeants". www.rampantscotland.com. Retrieved 6 June 2016.
  62. ^ "Black Watch (2006)". National Theatre of Scotland. Archived from the original on 20 April 2018. Retrieved 19 April 2018.
  63. ^ a b "42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot, The Black Watch". regiments.org. Archived from the original on 10 March 2006. Retrieved 21 September 2016.

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