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Umm, maybe Bellingham should link directly to Bellingham, WA. Washington's is clearly the largest and most notable, and several of the others are nothing more than election districts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.220.63 (talkcontribs) 18:22, 19 June 2007

No, because there are also many people with the surname Bellingham. Best name (talk) 00:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. There is no strong agreement that the Washington town is *not* the primary topic for "Bellingham" to counter the evidence that suggests it is. It appears that some of the general confusion regarding the redirects is due to the WP:USPLACE guideline recommending that American cities (usually) be placed at a title including the state, even if they're the primary topic for the base name. This convention is well established, and wasn't really challenged here, but either way there's no consensus for rejecting primary topic status for Bellingham, Washington. As such, the current setup is the usual way of handling redirects and hat notes when one article is the primary topic of a particular term, but resides at a different name. Cúchullain t/c 18:45, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Bellingham (disambiguation)BellinghamBelingham is a redirect to the main article making this page difficult to find. Better to move this page to Bellingham?? Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:22, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I read your comment as suggesting page views were some sort of anomaly with no basis in policy. Perhaps that was an error on my part, but the argument is demonstrably false, whether it's yours or a straw man's. --BDD (talk) 20:35, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That is certainly not what I meant and I don't think it's what I said, so yes, I'd like to regard your claim that I must have overlooked the very stable pageview criterion at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (which, yes, is on the DAB guideline) as withdrawn. What I said was that depending on page view statistics has no basis in policy (my new emphasis), and I'll go further... it is explicitly discouraged by the guideline. Is that your understanding too?
Hopefully that is now cleared up. Now, exactly which argument is demonstrably false? And what's this about straw men? Andrewa (talk) 03:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We may have gotten hung up on differing definitions of "depending." We can depend (partially) on something or depend (entirely) on it. I believe in depending on page views in the former sense. I don't think anyone would depend on it in the latter. So I think whether DAB supports this depends on your reading. The straw man is my misreading of your comments, and only his argument is demonstrably false. --BDD (talk) 17:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly don't have a clue what the deal is here. Five tiny towns and a neighborhood with no real claim to fame, few Google News appearances, no evidence that more than a handful of people have ever cared to read their articles... what is the deal? Why does the size of the city you personally live in have anything at all to do with the page request? I mean, am I supposed to trumpet the significance of a city of 80,000 when faced with a move request that makes no effort whatsoever to provide an argument to overturn the existing consensus? You know what? Fine. Bellingham is most notable for Western Washington University, which is one of only six state universities in Washington and has what, 20,000 students? Bellingham is a port city (historically a very important port city for Washington) with a lovely bay and a long industrial history. It's almost certainly the northernmost U.S. city west of upstate New York with over 50,000 inhabitants (excepting Alaska). Logos Bible Software is headquartered there. It has far more people than all the other places combined (which is just a guess, because some of the other places don't even have their population listed on the WP article). I appreciate your general spirit, Andrewa, but I just am lost a little bit here. Red Slash 20:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • (nominator) I was not making any point about what the primary article is (or should be). I am happy to accept the statistics that the place in Washington receives the most visits. The point I was making is that the current setup drags everyone to the Washington page (and increases their statistics) regardless of their real destination. I just think that there has to be a better way of helping the average user. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I appreciate the niceness! Here's the thing about the pageviews--even if we assume that every single visitor to any of the other Bellinghams found it by first being dragged to the Bellingham, Washington page, and therefore we discounted those pageviews... 47000 - 90 - 300 - 1700 - 1400 - 600 - 5600 - 300 - 300 still equals a whole lot more than every other topic combined. Red Slash 16:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 25 April 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved buidhe 21:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]



Bellingham (disambiguation)Bellingham – No clear primary topic for "Bellingham" although the city's name is just "Bellingham" its common to treat the state as part of the name, see WP:USPLACE and similar to WP:PLURALPT readers and editors are used to seeing US places with the state included and thus can be expected to search/link by including the state. This caused confusion again, see Talk:Bellingham, Washington#Bellingham is not only in the state of Washington. A quick look at What links here shows some obvious links intended for the places in Northumberland and London. A Google search for Bellingham returns mainly results for Jude Bellingham but he's a PTM for the single word. The other results are a map of the London one, the WP article for the Northumberland one and a tourist website also for the Northumberland one. In fact I don't get any results for the Washington one until the 6th page of results but that's probably partly because of my location. An Images search returns mainly the footballer but the Washington, London and Northumberland ones are there. A Books search is also mixed though the footballer doesn't come up. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Interesting page history of the target:

13:00, 4 September 2013‎ BD2412 talk contribs block‎  36 bytes -5‎  Per WP:MALPLACED, a "Foo" title CAN NOT redirect to a "Foo (disambiguation)" title; reverted per WP:BRD; if you disagree, please initiate a requested move to bring the disambiguation page to this title. 
19:02, 3 September 2013‎ Kevyn talk contribs block‎  41 bytes +5‎  Redirect to Bellingham (disambiguation) 
11:02, 20 June 2009‎ Tassedethe talk contribs block‎  36 bytes -5‎  Undid revision 297528722 by Tassedethe  
10:58, 20 June 2009‎ Tassedethe talk contribs block‎  41 bytes +5‎  temp redirect to aid automatic disambiguation  
22:47, 19 June 2009‎ The Man in Question talk contribs block‎  36 bytes -5‎  ←Redirected page to Bellingham, Washington 
22:46, 19 June 2009‎ The Man in Question talk contribs block‎  41 bytes +41‎  moved Bellingham to Bellingham (disambiguation)

It's the 10:58, 20 June 2009 and 3 September 2013‎ edits that interest me most. Both redirected to the DAB, and would have had the same practical results as this RM:

  • The destination of the base name would be the DAB.
  • A bot would have warned editors not to link to the ambiguous term, and other software would have been available to detect and fix possible mislinkings if they did occur despite this.

Better late than never I guess. Andrewa (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps one interesting thing is that because of MALPLACED its easier to create a primary topic (autoconfirmed users can generally move) than to remove one (requires page mover) so no one notices if a DAB is moved away from the base name but when someone points the redirect back to the DAB its reverted per MALPLACED if the admin (or mage mover) thinks there might be a case for a primary redirect. I still agree with MAPLPLACED since it allows the DAB to be at the simpler title but without it it would be easier to remove primary topics since one could then just point it to the DAB without MALPLACED users noticing. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Pronunciation?

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Could people who know possibly add the pronunciation to the articles listed here, on the article pages of course. I lived close to Bellingham London for 35 years. Now I have recently moved nearer to the Northumberland one. If my own knowledge, and the edits of other users are correct, the word is pronounced at least three different ways, as stated in these articles...

Most of the other listed place and biography articles do not explain the subjects' pronunciation. Considering the three different ones above, the pronunciation is not obvious if you don't already know, and would be helpful to the articles if it were added. For example the different places named Birmingham, are pronounced slightly different, and most of those articles show this.  Carlwev  14:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]