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Former good articleCircumcision was one of the Natural sciences good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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February 3, 2013Peer reviewReviewed
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March 14, 2022Good article reassessmentDelisted
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2012 AAP policy has expired

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The AAP policy on circumcision published in 2012 expired automatically five years later in 2017. "Circumcision Policy Statement". Pediatrics. American Academy of Pediatrics. September 2012. Retrieved September 17, 2024. It has not been revisited or renewed. So should it still be cited? --Hugh7 (talk) 08:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would try to keep AAP sourcing to a minimum. We should use newer sources that have not expired in lieu of using AAP whenever possible. Prcc27 (talk) 08:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Misinformed page.

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The circumcision page on Wikipedia is grossly incorrect and biased. It states that there are basically no downsides, and no changes in pleasure. This is incorrect.

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https://www.cirp.org/news/1997/1997-12-01_Mothering.php 104.194.36.23 (talk) 11:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This precise topic over whether circumcision decreased pleasure during sex was debated last year (see Talk:Circumcision/Archive 85#"Circumcision does not affect sexual function, sensation, desire, or pleasure."). After a prolonged and, at times, heated debate, it was decided to retain the statement involving pleasure.
To the topic of the specific reference you provided, the article was published in 1997 (so approaching 26 years old) and was authored by Paul M. Fleiss, an anti-circumcision activist and a person who is "known for his unconventional medical view(s)". Additionally, there has been a great deal of research on the topic of circumcision and pleasure since that article was published. Wikipedialuva (talk) 08:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is grossly misinformed and obviously written in support of the US medical industry who support circumcision strongly for financial reasons. They write as if for example HIV prevention is functioning at a relevant level, and then only have a small added sentence at the end which mentions that it is not agreed upon. Wikipedia has an article which includes HIV prevalence, and in many western European countries the HIV prevalence is far lower than in the US where people are circumcised. This is FACTUAL EVIDENCE against the effectiveness of circumcision in preventing HIV.
212.97.248.58 (talk) 11:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussions challenging the protective effects of male circumcision against HIV seem to come up every few months. The last one was in April to June of this year (see: Talk:Circumcision/Archive_85#Lack_of_Consensus_on_HIV_prevention).
Yes, it is grossly misinformed and obviously written in support of the US medical industry who support circumcision strongly for financial reasons.
Both US-based medical organizations (including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)), and international based medical organizations (including the World Health Organization (WHO), and UNAIDS) have all acknowledged that male circumcision offers a level of protection against acquiring HIV. The argument that circumcision is primarily supported by the U.S. medical industry for financial gain overlooks the substantial body of evidence that supports the claims of reducing the acquisition of HIV. The claims that "the US medical industry" strongly supports circumcision for financial reasons appear to be WP:FRINGE.
They write as if for example HIV prevention is functioning at a relevant level, and then only have a small added sentence at the end which mentions that it is not agreed upon.
As per policy. The Wikipedia policies WP:DUE and WP:BALANCE require that due weight and proper balance be considered when editing articles. Wikipedia does not give equal weight to all points of view; it gives weight "in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in those sources."
Wikipedia has an article which includes HIV prevalence, and in many western European countries the HIV prevalence is far lower than in the US where people are circumcised. This is FACTUAL EVIDENCE against the effectiveness of circumcision in preventing HIV.
The comparison of HIV prevalence rates between countries must consider a multitude of factors, including but not limited to sexual behavior, access to healthcare, education, and public health initiatives. The casual claim that Western European countries exhibit lower HIV prevalence than the U.S. does not account for these variables. For instance, South Korea presents a counterexample to these claims: it has an HIV prevalence rate that is significantly lower than that of many European countries, despite having a higher circumcision rate than the United States. Regardless, without WP:reliable sources, your claims appear to be original research and not eligible for inclusion under the policy of Wikipedia:No original research. Even assuming you are able to locate sources to support this view, they would still need to be evaluated in conjunction with WP:DUE and WP:BALANCE policies discussed above. Wikipedialuva (talk) 22:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Circumcision obviously increase frictions making sexual activity such as masturbation less easy due to the lack of skin, many circumcised man use lub to reduce that friction their lack of skin create, and
circumcision obviously make the glans keratinized discoloured and the mucous dry while all mucous are supposed to stay hydrated the glans is obviously made to stay hydrated and covered, not uncovered and dry,
those are obvious and observable facts we can all do by making comparisons to circumcised and not circumcised penises by thousands of pictures we can find online and experience. 104.163.174.55 (talk) 20:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
News studies show that circumcision does not reduce the hiv and even increase it due to the false feelings of protection. Can’t imagine all the other studies less vigorous than the hiv ones who’s now demonstrated wrong, more studies should be done and stop with the biased ones in favour of circumcision and be neutral instead.
https://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10654-021-00809-6 104.163.174.55 (talk) 20:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circoncision#cite_note-84
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circoncision#cite_note-85
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circoncision#cite_note-86 104.163.174.55 (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some circumcised men, like some uncircumcised men, use lubricants during sexual activity, but many circumcised men do not experience any issues without them. This point seems irrelevant to the article. If you are suggesting that circumcised men experience less sexual pleasure or decreased sexual function compared to uncircumcised men, the majority of studies indicate that circumcision does not lead to any decrease in sexual pleasure or cause sexual dysfunction, as referenced in the article. There has been extensive debate on this topic on this talk page.
Regarding your claims about circumcised penises being "discolored" and the notion that they are "supposed" to have "mucous" (presumably referring to smegma), these views are not applicable to the article. Your personal opinion that penises "supposed" to be uncircumcised does not make it so and does not warrant inclusion in the article.
It is crucial to consider the quality and context of the research. The first study you mentioned is a retrospective cohort study, which is generally regarded as one of the lowest quality of studies available (especially compared to studies like randomized controlled trials). It's first author is the open anti-circumcision activist, Morten Frisch, and numerous researchers have voiced their concerns about a large number of methodological issues in that specific study (see: [1]).
Even if the study were conducted in a neutral and methodically sound manner, a handful of cherry-picked studies of questionable quality cannot substantiate biomedical claims in an article, as per WP:MEDRS. This is particularly true when there is a substantial body of evidence from high-quality randomized controlled trials that contradicts those findings. Again, Wikipedia articles give weight "in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in those sources". Wikipedialuva (talk) 08:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Of course it is not updated, anything not in favour of circumcision you will try to ignore it at best, News studies show that circumcision does not reduce the hiv and even increase it due to the false feelings of protection. Can’t imagine all the other studies less vigorous than the hiv ones who’s now demonstrated wrong, more studies should be done and stop with the biased ones in favour of circumcision and be neutral instead.

https://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10654-021-00809-6 https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circoncision#cite_note-84 https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circoncision#cite_note-85 https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circoncision#cite_note-85 https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circoncision#cite_note-86

Pros and cons, para1

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The opening paragraph includes three pros, one neutral, and no con. I suggest for the sake of balance this edit to the last sentence: The procedure is contraindicated in cases of certain genital structure abnormalities or poor general health[4][5] and is controversial.[1] Dan Bollinger (talk) 14:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Sheehan, Michael (2018), "9", in Quallich, Susanne A.; Lajiness, Michelle; Mitchell, Kenneth (eds.), Manual of Men’s Health: Primary Care Guidelines for APRNs & PAs, Springer, p. 536, ISBN 9780826191137
  •  Not done Saying something is "MOS:CONTROVERSIAL" is not very useful. If you have a COI with this topic you should declare it on your user page.
We literally have an article called circumcision controversies, I think it might be fine. Or maybe we could say it is a “source of controversy”. If we do add this, maybe we should clarify that it is mainly controversial when performed on minors; I don’t think there is significant controversy when performed on adults that consent to the procedure. Prcc27 (talk) 16:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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