Talk:Kent Downs line

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Ashford extent

I'm unclear as how to deal with the lines beyond Ashford as the services / lines conflict here has me quiet confused. as far as I'm aware the Maidstone east services start and commence from Ashford, but i could be wrong so I've set it up like that. Ashford itself really does need a look at as i can't get my head around it.Pickle 04:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Think this has been resolved in my mind, some service terminate at Maidstone East, Some at Ashford, other continue onwards (Canterbry, Thanet, Dover, etc) Pickle 14:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please may I be of suggesting, that Ashford be treated as a separate article, all of its own. I beleive it to be deserving of such. Sheepcot 22:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This was one of the first articles i played with, when many of the additional icons weren't available. Also Google earth and msn local live aerial photos don't show the current layout (they predate CTRL phase 1) so i can't work out the really intricate detail without popping down there. But a separate Ashford plan at Ashford station article showing all the depots, past lines, etc would be really useful. Pickle 22:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations Missing

I am apologising most profusely, but this article is lacking of citations, so I am having to add a header to say this. Please do not be taking of any offence. It is purely a reminder. Sheepcot 22:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming

In railway circles this route used to be called "BTR2" or "Boat Train Route 2". Post-1993, it was re-termed as "CTR2" of Channel Tunnel Route 2". Quite what it will get re-termed once the CTRL finally has its own dedicated route is anyones guess. Personally, I think that "Maidstone East Line" is nice and simple ... and "does what it says on the tin"! Canterberry 20:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned renaming in the article summary because when i (i think) first created this page i wasn't thinking! Convention is "A to B line" so the current "B via C line" is no good if the it doesn't mention the start (ie Swanley) or that its from London. As for in "railway circles", i see why as its still used extensively for Channel Tunnel freight. Pickle 20:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Map

I have removed the 'mapneeded=yes' from the tag, as we have maps. Canterberry 20:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 05:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ashford via Maidstone East Line → Maidstone East Line — I believed this is a more concise and simpler name for this line —Canterberry 21:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose IMHO naming convetion is the "A to B line" thus it should be called the "Swanley to Ashford line", although the "A to B (via C) line" (like Ashford to Ramsgate (via Canterbury West) line) makes the most sense. The "Maidstone East line" makes it sound like its a terminous line at Maidstone East rather than a main line across Kent. Pickle 01:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through a search, this seems to be common usage, as well as being used on some official sites so i will say support. E.g. here and here. Simply south 20:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Naming Conventions There are many lines with the name "The {name} Line". Examples include Oxted Line, Alton Line,Bexleyheath Line, Hastings Line,Greenwich Line. Canterberry 07:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point, what do other editors think? Pickle 20:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See my reasoning for support. Simply south 20:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have been looking at my QUAIL Railway Track Diagrams for this area and the lines between Swanley and Ashford are named "Up Maidstone" and "Down Maidstone". I interpret this as meaning that the lines are known as the "Maidstone Lines". Canterberry 00:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Maidstone Line" or "Maidstone Lines" is confusing as the Medway Valley Line also goes to Maidstone, so at the very least the name needs to say this is the line that goes Maidstone East. Pickle 03:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Canterberry was right - It IS the Maidstone Line

This piece of line is called The Maidstone line. This is how it is shown in the DEFINITIVE RAILWAY PUBLICATION concerning railway infrastructure - the Sectional Appendix. This tome is not always available to people as it's a controlled document but the Quail maps are derived from it, so if you're not sure what a line is called then they're probably the best place to look. Bizarrely though, someone had actually put Quail in the reference list on the page whilst allowing the line to remain mis-named, which is contradictory.

In respect of the above discussion - Surely if you think something is confusing you should state the facts as they are and then use the text within the article to explain the issue? You don't have the right to just pretend the problem doesn't exist by making up a 'fantasy' name for the line. That really is creating confusion !

I have put inline references into the page to justify its correct name, and I'm going to move it to the Maidstone Line - Fu Manchuchu (talk) 12:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. It also sounds from the consensus below as if the Swanley to Sevenoaks section (which I use myself quite often, being a keen North Downs hiker) should get its own article at Darent Valley line and that section removed from this article. — Amakuru (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maidstone line → Kent Downs line – According to this source and this one, the line has been called this since mid-2020. This seems to be endorsed by OpenStreetMap, which also names the line according to that. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 14:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Trains has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Kent has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 22:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment per the article, "Kent Downs" only applies to part of this line (in this article's current form), unless stations like Eynsford railway station should be cut off, and considered only on the "Darent Valley Line". OSM can be edited by anyone. Dank Jae 03:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to this Thameslink source, Eynsford is on the Darent Valley line. Interesting then, how Otford appears to be on both (I guess it's the terminal station for the Kent Downs Line). Regarding Openstreetmap, I specifically said "endorsed by" rather than "also referenced / sourced by" for the reasons you gave. Rather, it was a good starting point to look for authoritative sources. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support, if it agreed this article is to be re-written so from Otford to Ashford only, and the map removed etc, then support per above. Dank Jae 15:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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