Talk:Pyeongchang County/Archive 1

Archive 1

Root name

My long-term desire is to move articles ending in "-si" (City) and "-gun" (County) to their root name; thus, move "Pyeongchang-gun" to "Pyeongchang." But Egon has already created all these articles for Gangwon, and their titles all end in "-si" or "-gun." So for now, keep it here... --Sewing 01:56, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The IOC only accepts Olympic bids from cities, so I guess that there is also a city called Pyeongchang. By the way in the bid the spelling PyeongChang with a capital C was used... --Hektor 03:46, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This article should really be more than just a summary of the city's Olympic bids. Anyone know anything else about Pyeongchang? - Cuivienen 04:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I can see what I can find about Pyeongchang. --Cameron 12:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have tried my best to expand the article and I will continue to do some research (although I may have to search for non-English language sites then try to make sense of the translation Google gives me). --clearthought 23:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Move

Since the name of the place on their English website is PyeongChang, perhaps we should capitalize the C? --Golbez 16:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know... it seems to me like Wikipedia, for one-word place names, usually only capitalizes the first letter, not anything extra. E.g., for East Asian place names: [1], [2], [3], [4]. --clearthought 17:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Snowball's chance in hell.

In all fairness, DPRK (North Korea) would consider it an act of war if South Korea tried to host an olympic alone again. The two are still at war and do not recognize the divided peninsula. So RoC would need to give hosting some events to the North as a gesture and that would be pretty much unacceptable for the rest of the world. So to summerize, Korea has no chance. The russian site is very near chechen terror area, so only Austria remains viable.

I would say this is simply incorrect; South Korea held the 2002 World Cup, and no events were held in the north. Furthermore, a city hosts the Olympics - not a country. When Los Angeles hosted the 1984 Olympics, they did not hold events in Phoenix. And the People's Republic of China will be holding the 2008 Olympics, apparently without permission from the Republic of China. --Golbez 08:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk pages are for discussion involving the improvement of the article, not for debate that would not be a service to the improvement of the article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not an opinion forum and debating views on whether Pyeongchang will be able to host the Olympics is not part of this article, nor should it be part of the talk page intended to further the article's progress. See: [5] --clearthought 20:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Width????

"and the 3rd largest county (in width) in the country." How is this at all notable? Does this hold some significance in South Korea I'm not aware of? Seems like an uninteresting piece of sub-trivia to me... -Elmer Clark 19:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Geographically it seems noteworthy. It is like saying that Alaska is the largest U.S. state or that Vatican City is the smallest country. Most sources said it was the 3rd largest, but their own county government website (not province website) said it was the 3rd largest in width. All of the sources noted in their main summary about the county that it was the 3rd largest (their specific government site said width). Since you brought up that comment, I will remove the width since all but one of the sites used that term. I agree that the width part sounds odd, but I disagree that the fact that it being the 3rd largest county in South Korea is "an uninteresting piece of sub-trivia". ~ clearthought 19:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that if you're talking about actual area it's notable. However, being the third widest county doesn't necessarily say anything about its area - Chile is the "longest" country in South America, but certainly not the largest by area. The article now says it's the third largest in area. This is an entirely different statement, but, assuming it's still true, is much more worthwhile. -Elmer Clark 09:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I removed the width statement on account that most of the sources said it was the largest; period. ~ clearthought 14:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

PyeongChang - the city

• Is there any hope to have an article dedicated to PyeongChang, the city ? After all it has a fair chance to host the Olympics. Hektor 08:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be this article, right here. It is a county, not a city. -- Visviva 09:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand. Olympic rules only allow cities to bid. There must be a host city. Hektor 10:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The terms "city" and "county" have a rather specific meaning in South Korea; see Administrative divisions of South Korea. Because Pyeongchang is a district with a relatively rural area with a low population, it is officially categorized as a county. I don't know what bearing this might have on the Olympic bid, but presumably the IOC would have noticed before now if it were a serious problem. -- Visviva 12:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I can only quote the Olympic Charter, article 33.2 : The honour and responsibility of hosting the Olympic Games are entrusted by the IOC to a city, which is elected as the host city of the Olympic Games. Hektor 09:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

That's that I've been thinking too. And why is the C in PyeongChang capitalized but is lowercase in the county name? _└^Jared_┘^┌_t^┐  03:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's very safe to assume that the IOC does not intend "city" in its legal sense, as defined by the country in question. Why would it give local authorities that call? Also, it would mean that it would be impossible for places in e.g. Sweden (lacking a formal city concept) to bid, which it clearly is not. —JAO • T • C 12:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

As stated above, Pyeongchang is a county, not a city, so I removed the statement in the article that it is South Korea's third largest city. This used to read "third largest county," which, if true, should be added back in, but I was unable to verify it (and it seems unlikely, given that counties in South Korea can apparently have up to 150,000 residents). Slb36cornell (talk) 12:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• Isn't the host city in fact the town of Pyeongchang-eup ? 83.204.29.107 (talk) 10:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Is the Card article that mocks the 2014 Olympic bid enough to support the paragraph critical of the bid?

The aatimes article is not a news piece but a somewhat mocking and anecdotal opinion piece that doesn't do much to support its assertions. Perhaps something more substantial with actual stats or official statements might be better, otherwise maybe reduce the prominence of the criticism (or have it refuted or something). It just reads like someone with a chip on their shoulder. So there's no Starbucks in Pyeongchang (yet) and it's hard to find a Western breakfast (now)? And so what if there's no dog sledding in Korea?

Paragraph referring to the Card editorial has been removed. It's mean spirited, anecdotal, and lacking any semblence of neutrality (yes I know there's no real objective neutrality, nonetheless, this article has no value except to portray Pyeongchang's Olympic bid in a grossly negative way). Whitearbiter 11:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Notification

The capitalization, which seems inconsistent here, is also under dispute at 2010 Winter Olympics. —JAO • T • C 12:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Name - Pyeongchang or PyeongChang

Why is it Pyeongchang for the title yet PyeongChang throughout the article? It should either be one or the other.71.197.65.138 (talk) 06:40, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

• Maybe we should have a sentence somewhere saying that by wikipedia rules we call the city Pyeongchang but that the local authorities and the IOC have chosen to use the camelCase PyeongChang? Hektor (talk) 10:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Map

The map is not the best map for the article. It gives the viewer no idea of where, in South Korea, Pyeongchang is. I took a look at the article because I wanted to know how close to North Korea the future city lies. I still don't know. A map with larger view of Korea is needed. Dincher (talk) 22:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

North or South

The text of the article creates confusion on wheter the town is situated in North- or South Korea. This should be rectified. Lignomontanus (talk) 09:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Why is this article written in this style and tone?

This is NOT the first time I've noticed, but most articles about Korea always have a certain tone in them that makes it boastful and biased with a slight arrogant tone. It's as if the editors who wrote this information are trying to make everything grander than they appear to be and there are unnecessary details about being first or best. Shouldn't this article, and others as well, be revised to reflect a more neutral and "humble" tone instead of this "in-your-face" style? The arrogance is pissing me off. And this problem isn't only in these Wikipedia articles. - M0rphzone (talk) 05:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

• Well this is the host city of the Olympics so it is not a generic mountain town. Hektor (talk) 15:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
• It's a result from 열등감 aka "inferiority complex" and it is very real. It's actually really entertaining to me that you can see that through Wikipedia pages. Rickinasia (talk) 23:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I've already known about this tendency and what kind of personalities Koreans have, but I first noticed it here when I read the the Samsung article. The arrogance in that one was pretty annoying. And yea I figured most Koreans (editing Wikipedia) have some sort of inferiority complex (with or without a superiority complex). It's quite funny and annoying at the same time. - M0rphzone (talk) 11:11, 2 April 2012 (UTC)