Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2007 October 7

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October 7

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Delete since there is an identical version on commons. Different comments here seem to be worried about different issues. In the end, as long as the image is on Commons, there is no need for a duplicate here. Deleting the image here doesn't change the availability of the image for our use, or its actual legal status (whatever that is). If commons later decides the image is nonfree, it will be moved back here. Until then, the local version is redundant to the commons version, so deleting it is the best option. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Symbol (Prince).svg

Image:Symbol (Prince).svg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cyrus XIII (notify | contribs).

The symbol was discussed for over three months at Commons, and there is consensus that the symbol should be considered public domain since it was Prince's legal name and names cannot be copyrighted. 17Drew 02:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as the discussion at Commons produced no reliable source which confirms that the artist's legal name was indeed at any time aforementioned symbol and that such an act would effectively release the image into the public domain. However, the current revision of the article Prince (musician) actually cites a source which explicitly states the contrary, that the artist's legal name remained his birth name (Prince Roger Nelson) at all times. The symbol has also been the subject of at least one copyright dispute and originally appeared on the cover artwork for a commercially released music album. Since Prince returned to his former stage name, the symbol has remained closely associated with him, essentially functioning as a logo. In that light, this image belongs on Wikipedia, as fair use material. - Cyrus XIII 02:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Logos are not necessarily copyrighted. The Coca-Cola logo, for example, is simply Coca-Cola in Spencerian Script. It can be trademarked but not copyrighted since fonts are not copyrightable. Only when a logo contains a graphical design can it be copyrighted, like the Pepsi logo. This is one glyph, and the discussion at Commons resulted in a consensus that one glyph cannot be copyrighted. If you disagree, then begin another deletion discussion at Commons rather than circumventing that discussion and uploading a nearly identical file here. 17Drew 03:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even if we do not consider fonts to be copyrightable, this does not change the fact, that the logo was was previously the subject of legal dispute and that it would subsequently be in our best interest to tread lightly and apply fair use, instead of making assumptions on the symbol's nature - which one may just as easily consider an original, graphic design (as opposed to a letter), given that it is no part of any alphabet or script. With regard to WP:CON, another request for deletion from Commons will be made, yet I also believe in WP:BOLD and prefer to fix a potential violation of WP:FU when I spot it. I don't see how this should be considered pointmaking. - Cyrus XIII 04:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was not used as a graphic design; he used it as his name, claiming (truly or falsely) that it was his legal name, and the title of an album (neither names nor titles can be copyrighted). This has already been discussed, and there was a consensus that the symbol should be considered free. WP:BOLD makes reference to being bold and then discussing if there is disagreement. Ignoring the consensus because you disagree with it falls under the … but don't be reckless. section. 17Drew 06:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source which verifies that Prince ever claimed such a thing (seeing that we have sources which directly contradict this notion, as well as the copyrightability of the logo)? - Cyrus XIII 16:18, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an article from City Pages stating that it was used in a font and that he presented it as his legal name. 17Drew 16:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per (spirit of) WP:CSD I8 (identical file on Commons) Will ^(talk) 10:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It was the Artist's name, and therefore in the Public Domain.--Knulclunk 12:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Orphaned, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Nv8200p talk 14:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TRGang.jpg

Image:TRGang.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kingkhmer007 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:L_9a6026bb58033e2a7a43b0b9ee03e7b4.jpg

Image:L_9a6026bb58033e2a7a43b0b9ee03e7b4.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kingkhmer007 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:L_b4238ced18a0c4c5bf315c92e885adfd.jpg

Image:L_b4238ced18a0c4c5bf315c92e885adfd.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kk4014 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader, User's only upload Nv8200p talk 14:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:L_c194a3eb1271cb4c29c23ef26c4cb365.jpg

Image:L_c194a3eb1271cb4c29c23ef26c4cb365.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Stefan02 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader, User's only upload Nv8200p talk 14:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:L_c2188da51660ac89801bebb97db872e5.jpg

Image:L_c2188da51660ac89801bebb97db872e5.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Michaelbarnett72 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:L_d34e6e2d573d467595d94579886ba454.jpg

Image:L_d34e6e2d573d467595d94579886ba454.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by AMC34 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Airkz_20040517_vladimir_vysotsky_hamlet.jpg

Image:Airkz_20040517_vladimir_vysotsky_hamlet.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Palapala (notify | contribs).

we already have one nonfree portrait of this subject Calliopejen1 18:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep. Image depicts not a person but the role he was playing in the theater that made headlines. The article discusses the issue specifically. --Irpen 19:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep - Yes, I agree with this issue.--NAHID 20:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete not so much because there's a free image available but because his role as Hamlet is only briefly mentioned, so there's nothing that is significantly enhanced by using this image. 17Drew 20:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Getulio55.jpg

Image:Getulio55.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by 172 (notify | contribs).

image does not contribute to readers' understanding more than words alone. we already have a portrait of the subject in his bio article (which says free but may not be...) Calliopejen1 18:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep. Image depicts a notable unique historic event, not a person, and this event is discussed in the article. --Irpen 19:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep - Ditto. --NAHID 20:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No one has explained how excluding this image would be detrimental to readers' understanding, the criterion from WP:NONFREE. You can't even tell what's going on in the picture without the caption, he's just reading a paper. Yes, this can't be duplicated because it is historic, but that's true for every event in history. Calliopejen1 21:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:L_sam.jpg

Image:L_sam.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Curvebill (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 20:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:L.O.S.jpg

Image:L.O.S.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Dogzwild2k1 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader, User's only upload Nv8200p talk 20:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LAXgroup.jpg

Image:LAXgroup.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Drecey1971 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 20:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LBA.JPG

Image:LBA.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Haydn1568 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader, User's only upload Nv8200p talk 21:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LC_Classic1.jpg

Image:LC_Classic1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Spoonbag (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LC_Lenno_and_Skitchy.jpg

Image:LC_Lenno_and_Skitchy.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Spoonbag (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LC_Scobie.jpg

Image:LC_Scobie.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Spoonbag (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LC_In_The_Rain.jpg

Image:LC_In_The_Rain.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Spoonbag (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LC_2001.jpg

Image:LC_2001.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Spoonbag (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LLM.JPG

Image:LLM.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Tattiebogle71 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LUKEBRANSONROSS.JPG

Image:LUKEBRANSONROSS.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Typeone9 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lagq.jpg

Image:Lagq.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Asgiegoghiaa (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Absent uploader, Possible Copyright violation Nv8200p talk 21:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lambovey1sml.JPG

Image:Lambovey1sml.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by HolySlayer (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SML.JPG

Image:SML.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by HolySlayer (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lam3bo2.JPG

Image:Lam3bo2.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by HolySlayer (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lambove3y12.JPG

Image:Lambove3y12.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by HolySlayer (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Meter12ww2.JPG

Image:Meter12ww2.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by HolySlayer (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kjbk33333.JPG

Image:Kjbk33333.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by HolySlayer (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lamar_J_Young_in_2007.jpg

Image:Lamar_J_Young_in_2007.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lamarj72 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lambooo.jpg

Image:Lambooo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Explosivedog_boom (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Langar.pdf

Image:Langar.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Goperai (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LargeCA89F3D2-E081-2F4D-FEB1DF60DA2CEB61.jpg

Image:LargeCA89F3D2-E081-2F4D-FEB1DF60DA2CEB61.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Timclick (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader, User's only upload Nv8200p talk 21:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Laura_nicole_figueroa_aleman.jpg

Image:Laura_nicole_figueroa_aleman.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Windsurfer_it (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Laurens_postma.pdf

Image:Laurens_postma.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Laurenspostma (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lcp_cv_adobe.pdf

Image:Lcp_cv_adobe.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Laurenspostma (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lawrence_001.JPG

Image:Lawrence_001.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lawrence1944 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Layla's_Illustration.gif

Image:Layla's_Illustration.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ooober (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lck11.jpg

Image:Lck11.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Carmelkent2 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lck22.jpg

Image:Lck22.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Carmelkent2 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lck33.jpg

Image:Lck33.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Carmelkent2 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Leah_Farser.jpg

Image:Leah_Farser.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Flexiblepony56 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LeighCasino.jpg

Image:LeighCasino.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by LeighCasino (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lewis_3.JPG

Image:Lewis_3.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Punk_n_disorderly_89 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 21:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LilmattHeadshot.jpg

Image:LilmattHeadshot.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Janinesparkle (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 22:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LilmattHeadshot.png

Image:LilmattHeadshot.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Janinesparkle (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 22:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Windharvest 350g 3sidebyside.JPG

Image:Windharvest 350g 3sidebyside.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kjwolf (notify | contribs).

Orphaned SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:William the Conqueror - penny - obverse.png

Image:William the Conqueror - penny - obverse.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Angusmclellan (notify | contribs).

Copyrighted 3D image Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 22:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1. no free equivalent: cannot prove a negative, but none found (and Bayeux Tapestry images are not comparable); 2: commercial opportunities: image has been heavily cropped and filtered, should be ok here; 3. minimal: so long as minimal is not zero, yes; 4. previous publication: yes; 5. encyclopedic: yes; 6. media-specific: seems so; 7. used: yes; 8. significance: probably; 9. location: yes; 10. image description: credits source and image owner and includes a fair-use-in rationale. Seems like it should pass the WP:NFCC tests. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact is that image is copyrighted and I am sure it would be possible to find a coin with William I's head on it and take a picture therefore the image is not fair use. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to me to pass all the fair-use tests: especially telling is the FUR comment that this was a depiction of William as he wished to appear, which is difficult to get in other ways.--SarekOfVulcan 13:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is not fair use as a Wikipedia user COULD go and take that picture themselves. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 00:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The image doesn't "significantly increase readers' understanding" of anything in the article. 17Drew 00:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The coin is in a museum, so the photo is replaceable. Regardless, according to the article, "no authentic portrait" of him exists anyways so it's not like it even helps us understand what he looks like. Calliopejen1 00:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted - — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]