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Early World Cup Squads

Noticed a lot of early World Cup squads where a large number of player a apparent free agents. Appreciate sources are likely hard to come by but just something to note for improvement. Mn1548 (talk) 19:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Australia results

Is there a way to recolour List of results of the Australian national rugby league team to the standard green=win, yellow=draw, red=loss without having to do each result individually? Mn1548 (talk) 11:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could do search and replace on the background colour codes. That should cut it down to three passes. Nthep (talk) 12:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With something like WP:AWB you can do it in a single edit. Primefac (talk) 15:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nthep:@Primefac: Thanks for the replies. Done. Mn1548 (talk) 14:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MEA Championship

Was 2017 Rugby League World Cup qualification (Middle East-Africa play-off) really the first MEA Rugby League Championship? It says it is on the IRL website though no sources at the time that I can find describe it as such. Considering IRL also described the tournament as a second tier competition bellow a tournament which was never instituted it seems a dubious source. However there is not much alternate sourcing on this. Mn1548 (talk) 21:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox for Australian and New Zealand teams being changed

User:Ajlf2787 has been working through the Australia/New Zealand NRL teams and changing the infoboxes over to the Australian football club infobox (no edit summaries to explain). I believe that the Australian football club infobox is for AFL, so I reverted Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks only for the editor to redo. I don't have the capacity at present to work through all the teams and deal with potential 3RR issues, so thought it best to report here. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I was trying to update the club information page to provide the team colours. Much like many other sporting codes do in the club information section, the banner is a different colour based on the colour of the team. For some reason, rugby league doesn't allow for colours. SO I borrowed the template from Australian rules as I wanted it to look similar to that Ajlf2787 (talk) 08:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on the colour issue, but if a team is an RL team then it should have an RL infobox. If you want to have colour in the infobox, change the infobox, don't use a different infobox. Primefac (talk) 12:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree all rugby league clubs, wether they be NRL, Super League, ect should have the same info box Northern Wonder (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Conference League divisions

would anyone dispute the creation of articles for each NCL division rather than the current NCL article which is an overview of the entire competition? Northern Wonder (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were all turned into redirects in May 2023 as they required updating and contained little that was not covered by the main NCL article. They were also poorly sourced with minimal third-party coverage and few inline citations. However, I would have no problem with them being recreated if the issues with the previous versions were resolved. EdwardUK (talk) 16:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, no objections, so long as they are their own pages. The original versions of the individual pages just repeated the information on the NCL page. Any new pages should have enough new information not on the current NCL page, but leaving sufficient information on the current NCL page that a reader can understand the subject without looking at the pages for the individual divisions. Mn1548 (talk) 15:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women's Ashes

A number of sources have described the 2025 England tour to Australia as containing the first women's ashes test series. But there were GB vs Australia test series in the 1990s, though any sources I can find describing them as "Ashes" test series look to be done so retrospectively. What are people's thoughts about including these on The Ashes (rugby league).

My opinion is a brief mention in prose but not to include in the stats unless any sources from the time can be found which describes them as Ashes matches. Mn1548 (talk) 13:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any GB/England v Australia series in any sport gets labelled "the Ashes" either at the time or later. I think that what needs to be looked at here is the status of the games in the 90s and under whose auspices they were organised. The Australian Women's Rugby League didn't become part of the Australian Rugby League Commission until 1998 so the 1996 GB Tour wouldn't be seen as an ARLC sanctioned event. Similarly the Women's Amateur Rugby League Association didn't become part of the RFL until much later, so the 1996 wasn't a RFL sanctioned event either. On that basis it can be seen why the 2025 tour is being touted as the "first" Ashes tour by the RFL and ARLC.

So, should we exclude history? Obviously no, but we need to make sure we explain it correctly. I think, that with sourcing, we can say GB have met Australia previously but it isn't until 2025 that the matches have the status of IRL Recognised Senior International Matches (assuming they do). Nthep (talk) 15:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is difficult finding any contemporary sources for the matches – too old for websites (live or archived versions) and too recent for digitised newspaper archives that don’t have paywalls. However, are there sources for the early men’s games being known as the ashes? I could find no references to it being called this in the Australian newspapers (Trove) until 1920, so it may be that these have also been named retrospectively.

There are enough sources now referring to the 1996 tour as "the ashes" to support including something about it in the article, notably from both the RFL [1] and NRL [2] in their reports on the hall of fame recognition. The match details are covered in the GB Women's team article, so a brief summary with link to that article seems reasonable. EdwardUK (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would definitely agree that a mention is needed. Statistical unification wouldn't appply anyway as one was England other was GB, and I don't think it should be included in a table unless there is adequate sourcing (though EdwardsUK's point on the retrospectiveness of the early men's games is an interesting one, but untimely a separate issue). Nthep's point on them not being official teams though is probably main reason to keep it out the table.

This brings me on to a separate point: Does the article on the Ashes needed splitting, as I'd imagine a article that is talking about four different test series (GB v AUS men and women, and ENG v AUS men and women) could get quite confusing, and there is already three infoboxs in the lead. Perhaps two separate men's and women's articles would be better (obviously providing the sourcing is their for GNG). Mn1548 (talk) 19:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I've been talking to the record keepers club who manage stats on behalf of IRL, and the 1996 tour games are counted as first class matches, so there has been a women's Ashes series between GB and Aus. The RFL even celebrate it [3]. That makes all talk of next year's tour being the "first" having the meaning of England v Aus. Interestingly the men's series will be the first Ashes series played by England as England, rather than England being used as shorthand for Great Britain.

I think there's material and source to split into three articles; GB v Aus (men), Eng v Aus (men) and Ashes (women). I'm not sure we have enough sourcing as EdwardUK points out to support GB v Aus (women) as a stand alone article at the moment. Nthep (talk) 20:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree. Any thoughts on article titles?

The Men's Rugby League Ashes (original series)
The Men's Rugby League Ashes (modern series)
The Women's Rugby League Ashes

Would these three work? Mn1548 (talk) 13:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lower case all three:

Men's rugby league Ashes (original series), or could use the date range
Men's rugby league Ashes (modern series)
Women's rugby league Ashes

Nthep (talk) 20:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]