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Censoring the show's title in Wikipedia

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After a recent edit which removed the use of $#*! in the text of this article, I created this thread to discuss any disagreement among editors regarding Wiki's representation of the show's title. As of this writing, the show's official title is $#*! My Dad Says. While there may be controversy with parent groups (as stated in the edit mentioned above), the title has not been changed by CBS. I believe the correct title should be reflected in this article, and reverted that edit here. In addition, Wikipedia guidelines are against censoring. I also replaced the hatnote explaining why we have not titled this article with $#*!, which I also feel is important to mention. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 21:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've boldly renamed the article to Shit My Dad Says (TV series) because there's no indication that the show will in any official capacity be referred to as "Bleep My Dad Says". The "bleep" will only be the resulting vocalization/sound when promoting the show or naming in in audio form. The only other name I can think that might be a good idea for the article is $h*! My Dad Says, which preserves all of the characters except the "#", which isn't allowed due to Wikipedia technicality, and which could be replaced with simply "h". — CIS (talk | stalk) 01:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This promo uses the word bleep in the voice over for the title. This appears to be the official "alternate" title, even though the reasons why CBS and Wikipedia are required to recast the title are completely different.—Twigboy (talk) 14:44, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This was just moved back to Bleep My Dad Says, I definitely disagree with this move. The name is "$#*! My Dad Says", but that is not available due to pagename restriction. It is based on "Shit My My Dad Says", the censorship from CBS is because of TV restrictions, and is only bleeped for this reason. Wikipedia is not censored. Xeworlebi (talk) 08:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a compromise with the title. Since only the "#" is not permitted per Wikipedia's technical restrictions, I've simply replaced it with an "h" and left the rest of the characters as they are in the official title. So instead of "$#*!", it's "$h*!". Since only the "#" (number sign) is not permitted in article titles, I think this is the best naming compromise. — CIS (talk | stalk) 19:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I was going to reply to Xeworlebi that we should discuss this before further name changes, since this page has been moved several times. I guess I should have done that sooner. I agree completely with not censoring the title, but I am not sure $h*! is the way to go. It seems to me this just adds another level of confusion to the mix. Shit, Bleep, $#*! or now $h*!. Granted, any redirect from Shit or Bleep will still allow a reader to find this article as $h*! with an "h". I'm curious as to what others think. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Given our technical restrictions, I think that "$h*! My Dad Says" probably is the best possible title. "Bleep My Dad Says" (an exact typographical representation of the official spoken title) also is a reasonable option.
I disagree with the use of "Shit My Dad Says (TV series), simply because "Shit My Dad Says" is not the program's title (in written or spoken form). It's true that Wikipedia isn't censored, but we aren't doing the censoring; Warner Bros. and CBS are. "Not censored" ≠ "intrinsic censorship removed." Our role is to convey the actual title, not what the title would have been if it hadn't been modified by those in charge. —David Levy 03:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
the name of the show is only censored because they have to due to TV regulations. Wikipedia is not censored and should just call itwhat it is. Using "bleep" is them censoring it because they have to. Using "h" instead of # makes it hard to find, there are redirects but who would think of going to $h*! My Dad Says rather then Shit My Dad Says? Xeworlebi (talk) 10:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the word "shit" were usable in the title without FCC objections, Warner Bros. and CBS probably would have opted not to (due to the inevitable public outrage in the United States). However, that's irrelevant; it makes absolutely no difference why the title has been censored. We aren't doing the censoring.
There is no material distinction between this and any other title change that could have been made (such as the considered use of "Crap My Dad Says" or "Stuff My Dad Says"). The entities responsible for determining the program's title have decided to go with "$#*! My Dad Says" (pronounced "Bleep My Dad Says") and have explicitly stated that this (not "Shit my Dad Says") is the official title. This is not an instance in which the real title is being suppressed from the airwaves; "$#*! My Dad Says" (pronounced "Bleep My Dad Says") is the real title.
The principle that "Wikipedia is not censored" means that we don't censor content. It does not mean that we add profanity to material produced by others (even if its creation stemmed from censorship on their part). The idea that "well, that's what they mean" is comparable to misquoting someone based on the same logic. ("The television character said 'drop the freaking gun,' but that's just because they couldn't have him say 'drop the fucking gun,' so let's include the latter quotation in our article.") To call the TV series "Shit My Dad Says" is to refer to it by an incorrect title. (We do, of course, note that the program is "based on the Twitter feed Shit My Dad Says.")
Indeed, no one would think of going to $h*! My Dad Says. As you said, that's why we have redirects (and a hatnote at Shit My Dad Says). It's problematic that typing "$#*! My Dad Says" into our interface leads to the Dollar sign article, but there's nothing that we can do about that.
For a very similar case, see Who the *$&% Is Jackson Pollock?. We used the article title "Who the Fuck Is Jackson Pollock?" (because Wikipedia is not censored) until it was realized that the film's actual on-screen title (not merely the title under which it's marketed) is "Who the #$&% Is Jackson Pollock?" (which contains a number sign, forcing us to substitute an asterisk). —David Levy 14:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with David here. In no official capacity has CBS ever confirmed that the word "Shit" is part of this program's title. No doubt that is because of FCC restrictions, but it would be a violation of WP:OR for us to suggest that "$#*!" is in any way intended to convey "Shit", even though it's quite obvious that it is. Due to our technical restrictions, we don't have much of an option other than the current title. Unless you can think of something better than "h" to replace "#", then I think the current title works best. As for people searching Shit My Dad Says, they will be directed to a page that has a hatnote linking directly to the CBS sitcom's page. No problems there. If people search Bleep My Dad Says, they will be redirected here. If people type $#*! My Dad Says, they will end up at Dollar sign, as has been noted, and that's not something we can prevent. — CIS (talk | stalk) 01:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to add that the use of "h" in place of "#" does indeed hint to the fact that the word "Shit" is intended, which is perhaps something we shouldn't be doing. If folks here want to use another symbol instead of an "h" then that would be fine by me. — CIS (talk | stalk) 01:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that the most similar character that we could substitute for the number sign would be a sharp symbol (♯). However, because the character is relatively uncommon and not present on standard keyboards, readers and editors might not recognize the distinction (leading them to mistakenly use the number sign in a broken fashion). So the "h" probably is a safer solution.
I'll note that "Shit My Dad Says" was the program's formal working title, with sources such as Nina Tassler (the network's entertainment president) stating that the final title would be derived from that. Tassler even commented, presumably in jest, that one title under consideration was "Shat My Dad Says" (a reference to star William Shatner). —David Levy 01:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On the one hand, "Shit My Dad Says" is the official name of the Twitter account on which the series is based. "$#*! My Dad Says" would be the official title of the CBS series. On the other hand, I don't know of too many people who would recall the correct sequence of characters to enter into the title, so it's likely that a redirect is the only way most people are going to find the page. I don't know what to say about the Wiki "#" limitation. KnownAlias contact 14:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I imagine that most people would type "Shit My Dad Says" (and either reach the Twitter feed's article and follow the hatnote or select the "Shit My Dad Says (TV series)" redirect when it appears in the search field) or "Bleep My Dad Says" (and arrive via that redirect). It's fortunate that we can expect relatively few people to type "$#*! My Dad Says," as you can see where that leads. —David Levy 02:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Renewed?

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Has CBS renewed this show for a second season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.155.113 (talk) 23:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Doesn't the statement that the show is on the verge of cancellation require support? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.229.219 (talk) 23:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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