Talk:14th Street Tunnel shutdown

14th Street Tunnel shutdown has been listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: April 13, 2020. (Reviewed version).

A fact from 14th Street Tunnel shutdown appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 May 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a documentary and a board game have been made about the New York City Subway's 14th Street Tunnel shutdown?

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Section sizes

Section size for 14th Street Tunnel shutdown (15 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	2,305	2,305
Background	2,887	2,887
Planning	14	61,751
Closure options	9,585	9,585
Initial mitigation plans	8,167	8,167
Modified mitigation plans	14,462	25,278
Temporary L shutdown bus routes	6,001	6,001
Criticism of mitigation plans	4,815	4,815
Change in shutdown plans	18,707	18,707
Construction	10,059	10,059
Effects	1,973	1,973
See also	115	115
Notes	24	24
References	28	28
External links	420	420
Total	79,562	79,562

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Replacement plan for shutdown

There's very little to no space devoted to the replacement plan. This covers what was going to happen, not what actually did in the end.

To get someone started, (at least with search terms) here are two pieces from the New York Daily News (one an editorial)

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-l-train-construction-solution-benchwall-20190425-hlr6er2p3zed5l4lwserhtgnnu-story.htm

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-gateway-20190429-xi3rcvu3szh7vfmbz7gasl3shu-story.htm

Sammy Finkelman

The first link is already in the article. The modified plan is covered further down. epicgenius (talk) 00:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:14th Street Tunnel shutdown/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 14:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Epicgenius: Hi again. –♠Vami _IV†♠ 14:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vami IV: Thanks for the quick review. I have resolved these issues. epicgenius (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Background

Combine the parts of "Background" that deal with the damage caused by Hurricane Sandy into Paragraph 1, and those that deal with the immediate aftermath into Paragraph 2. In October 2012, Hurricane Sandy caused severe damage to New York City, Should ideally launch into The storm flooded nine of the system's 14 underwater tunnels [...] and completely destroyed a portion of the IND Rockaway Line (A train) in Queens, [...].
- Done
~~Elaborate on this years of needed repairs.~~
- Done The repairs were staggered over several years.

Planning

<s.Citation [6] is repeated three times without need in the first paragraph of "Closure options".
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~~between Bedford Avenue in Brooklyn and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan Specify that "Bedford Avenue" and "Eighth Avenue" here are stations and not the streets.~~
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~~The L train needs a wikilink.~~
- Done
and running the M to [...] G, J/Z and M [...] of the G would [...] The M's peak [...] except for the A and R would [...] The J/Z and M would [...] The G would also [...] the G would not [...] suspended L service Expand with the word "train"/"trains".
- Done
~~and East Village, Manhattan, Consider "the East Village".~~
- Done
~~Lorimer Street (J and M trains), Redundant link to the M train here.~~
- Rearranged
~~The SBS, NYCDOT, NYCEDC acronyms are not explained.~~
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~~speeded up transit times sped up~~
- Done
~~transit times for transit riders Delete one of these "transits".~~
- Done
~~January 6, 2019, three months before the tunnel is set to shut down This should not be present-tense.~~
- Done
~~Free transfers will be available If this is supposed to be present-tense, use "are". If not, "would".~~
- Done this was in the past tense. epicgenius (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~ferry and two Select Bus Service routes [...] the L5 will not be a Select Bus Service route Redundant links for SBS.~~
- Done Also, I trimmed this a bit since the route was not implemented.
~~analysis of possible effect the possible effect~~
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~~What's a benchwall?~~
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The busway would have the same vehicle restrictions as originally planned: the only vehicles that could use the busway would be buses, trucks making deliveries on 14th Street, emergency and Access-A-Ride vehicles, and local traffic traveling for no more than one block. Nothing after the colon here is required.
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However, the busway was not implemented as scheduled in July 2019.[94][95] The implementation of the busway was pushed back to August,[96][97] before finally taking effect on October 3, 2019.[98][99] Condense.
- Done

GA progress

Images are relevant and free, though few in number. Article passes copyvio scanning with 23% likelihood. –♠Vami _IV†♠ 14:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a documentary and a board game have been made about the 14th Street Tunnel shutdown? Source: AM New York: documentary, board game
- ALT1:... that when first announced, the 14th Street Tunnel shutdown was projected to cost between $800 million and $1 billion? Source: NY Times
- ALT2:... that many Brooklyn residents and business owners moved as a result of the 14th Street Tunnel shutdown, only for the closure to be curtailed? Source: Gothamist

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Luria's ‎

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk) and Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 14:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

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Looking pretty good so far! It was recently promoted to a Good Article, the sourcing is adequate, the prose portion is long enough, it stays within Wikipedia's policies. The only problem I have is hook may not be appealing to the general public. Personally, I think that the ALT0 is the best. MySixthSense (talk) 21:48, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Time to trim the article down a bit?

90% of the article is about the planning of the operation, with a paltry few lines about the actual construction. (Admittedly, the planning did drag on and generate more news than the actual work.) At the time, it was useful and informative for people who needed to know what was happening recently, but now that it's done, the blow-by-blow is rather excessive. Time to trim it down? SilverbackNet ^talk 02:39, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is an exaggeration of the sections' sizes, as I would not call a five-paragraph section "a paltry few lines about the actual construction". Nevertheless, trimming some of the minor details is probably the best way to go. Realistically I don't think a wholesale removal should happen, as that would be a rather drastic revision to an article that was recently reviewed for Good Article status. But details about service revisions might be okay. Pinging Kew Gardens 613 about this as well. epicgenius (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, we should just increase details on the actual construction. The weekly L Project Newsletters have a lot of information I can add when I have a chance-maybe in June I will have time.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kew Gardens 613, that sounds good. epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, looking at it now over a year later, I agree this should be trimmed. For one thing, more than anything, so much of the detail about the plans never happened because of the change of plans. And a lot of those details are far too trivial for an encyclopedia article. They ultimately don't show long term significance, making a lot of it a WP:NOTNEWS issue. Plus the article needs an audit for tense, as some parts are still in simple future tense, saying what will happen, when the whole project has not only been completed, but those things never happened because of the entire course change. It's a wonderfully researched article, but it was clearly written as an ongoing record of the project, not a retrospective overview. oknazevad (talk) 02:48, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]