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Primary motivation/Ideology was not incel according to judge in final sentencing, this article is just plain wrong, and yes wikipedia does use primary sources sometimes
Nevertheless, I am inclined to accept the assessment of all of the experts that [Minassian] did lie to the police about much of the incel motivation he talked about and that the incel movement was not in fact a primary driving force behind the attack. I note as well that [Minassian]’s father commented that when his son was talking to Det. Thomas, he was using the tone of voice and demeanour that he would use when doing a presentation, as if he was acting a part. [...] he has never expressed hatred, or even anger, towards women, not even in his initial statement to the police [...] Accordingly, I agree with the assessors that [Minassian]’s story to the police about the attack being an “incel rebellion” was a lie. [...]I am sure that resentment towards women who were never interested him was a factor in this attack, but not the driving force. Instead, as he told every assessor, he piggybacked on the incel movement to ratchet up his own notoriety.
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion consensus. This was a close one, with valid policy referenced on all sides. That said, it appears CONSISTENCY was most persuasive to discussion participants, more so than NOYEAR. Lastly, multiple sources appear to describe this with the year included. Questions? Ping me on my talk, as always. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink(♔♕)23:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Toronto van attack → 2018 Toronto van attack – The current convention on article titles for events, WP:NCEVENTS, demands that in the majority of cases a date come before the article title. I see no good reason to make an exception here, especially given the fact that the article previously had the date in the title, until a unilateral move that did not respect the requested move process for controversial moves. Currently, this is one of the few articles from the List of vehicle-ramming attacks that lack the date in the title; adding the date would make it WP:CONSISTENT with the rest. Pilaz (talk) 13:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: WP:NCEVENTS describes it as a "judgement call", between how "some articles do not need a year" and how "in the majority of cases, the title of the article should contain... when the incident happened". I don't know how to make the judgment call here. Is it comparable to, say, Virginia Tech shooting (one of the examples listed)? "Deadliest vehicle-ramming attack in Canadian history" vs. "deadliest school shooting in the U.S."? I don't know. I'll just say that, if someone wants to make the case in earnest for omitting the "when", I'd expect it to be made based on something about the specific event, and not just on generalities that apply equally well to any event. Adumbrativus (talk) 05:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Thankfully there have been no more van attacks in Toronto. "2018 Toronto van attack" implies, to me at least, there are other such attacks from which this one should be disambiguated. For that reason I find the proposed title misleading. Additionally, it is not as concise as it can be. Surtsicna (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Given that, as written in the article, Minassian is suspected to have lied about his "incel" motive, should the motives section of the infobox not be changed to reflect this? Or at least with a note that the motive is contested.
See this quote by Ontario Superior Court Justice Anne Molloy, from the legal proceedings section of the article: "I am inclined to accept the assessment of all of the experts that Mr. Doe did lie to the police about much of the incel motivation he talked about and that the incel movement was not in fact a primary driving force behind the attack." Macxcxz (talk) 20:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've just adjusted it to "Notoriety, misogynist terrorism". I think it's probably reasonably to leave the latter in place given that the judge agreed with experts that that may have played a role (as discussed in more detail in the article), but I'm certainly open to other thoughts on that. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
