Talk:2022 AFL Grand Final

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Odds

Several editors want to add information to the article about the "odds" offered for each team winning. These are being expressed in dollar amounts. Monetary amounts are simply NOT odds, no matter what a particular betting agency or source says. I provided a link in my Edit summary to Odds. That explains this situation perfectly. I am going to revert again, because I am simply right. This is also a local Australian (Victorian?) phenomenon, not meaningful to people from the rest of the world reading this global article. HiLo48 (talk) HiLo48 (talk) 21:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This reference [1] (section: racing and sports betting) would be more than adequate for me to update the definition of decimal odds in the Odds article with the statement "In Australia, it is conventional to display decimal odds with the currency symbol, e.g. $1.50 to mean 1.50". The grand final article has a 'Use Australian English' tag, which naturally extends to adopting an Australian syntax for stating odds.

But please explain this: why have you on each occasion deleted the numerical odds entirely, when all you had to do was remove the dollar signs to convert them into European style decimal odds? Aspirex (talk) 01:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Such an approach would still not be correct. Did you look at Odds? HiLo48 (talk) 01:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did and I don't see an issue. For the benefit of this discussion, could you please explain. Aspirex (talk) 02:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HiLo48: Pinging in case you missed my last request. Aspirex (talk) 23:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those numbers are certainly not what I teach as odds in Maths classes. They don't add anything useful to the article either. HiLo48 (talk) 00:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mathematical/probabilistic odds and gambling odds are different and both-valid uses of the word 'odds', as stated both in the odds article and in my references, so it is wrong to say the statement under discussion is "incorrect". It has the encyclopedic benefit of quantifying the extent of the public's pregame perception of Geelong's favouritism, rather than leaving the article reliant on vaguer qualitative adjective like 'strong'. And it is common throughout our project and others to provide gambling information in the appropriate local parlance as an encyclopedic measure of favouritism e.g. Super Bowl LV#Pre-game notes, 2008 FA Cup final#Pre-match. So I disagree with your reasoning and again put forward for its inclusion - or, invite you to propose an alternative wording. Aspirex (talk) 04:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The only place I see that local parlance is in gambling ads, a form of advertising many are arguing to have banned. I pay it little heed. Many Australians pay it no heed at all. It will mean nothing to people outside Australia. It will mean nothing to a lot of Australians. Where will we direct people who don't know what it means but want to know? I have no interest in alternative wording. HiLo48 (talk) 20:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned above, we can update the definition of decimal odds on the Odds page; or, redirect to the appropriate anchor in Glossary of Australian and New Zealand punting, where it is already explained. Aspirex (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

comment - If you want to say "Team X was a 2-1 favorite" or the like, fine, but I don't like the current addition as is. --Malerooster (talk) 21:29, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All available references use decimal odds, though. Making a mathematical conversion to fractional odds would be challengable and potentially clumsy. Aspirex (talk) 22:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Betting odds in Australia are expressed in dollars, it's unequivocal. Anything else is essentially OR.

That is the case for commercial gambling today, but it wasn't always thus. I can assure it's not what's taught in schools. And this is a global encyclopaedia. Content must be clear to all readers. HiLo48 (talk) 23:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken steps to ensure this: the 'Use Australian English' tag dictates that the conventional Australian format be displayed in the article, and the link to Glossary of Australian and New Zealand punting#Odds against provides an explanation to close the gap for any unfamiliar readers. Aspirex (talk) 01:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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