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Requested move 31 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 09:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)



Association of Southeast Asian NationsASEAN – Per WP:COMMONNAME, ASEAN was referred by its acronym, not by full name, for example NATO and NASA 36.76.226.238 (talk) 10:49, 31 January 2020 (UTC) Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 18:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose - I dont believe the comparison is fair. NATO/NASA are ubiquitous and usually sources do not need to include the full name for those. In this case, most sources open with the full name and then use the initialism as a shortcut for later uses. ASEAN is already a redirect, so there is no impact on editors or searchers if we leave it status quo. -- Netoholic @ 15:01, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Leaning oppose. I don't think it's quite true that ASEAN is usually referred to by its acronym. Rather, it is by people who already know what it is and by sources with target readerships that already know what it is, such as major internationally-read financial newspapers like the Wall Street Journal that write a lot about world economics and trans-national business. I agree with Netoholic that it is not actually parallel to the cases of NATO and NASA. People generally know what those are and do, without any need for knowing what they stand for. Meanwhile, ASEAN is apt to just be pronounced "Asian" (and the acronym, really a backronym was chosen for that meaning synergy in the first place). That makes it a WP:PRECISE and WP:RECOGNIZABLE problem especially for users of screen readers (MOS:ACCESS).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  05:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't think discussion about article title has anything to do with accessibility, we can put {{distinguish}} in this article as hatnote. Hddty (talk) 10:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

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Can't be bothered

I can't be bothered putting this in the right section, but the pronunciation guide to @ASEAN' is utter nonsense. No one ever pronounces it like that, certainly not the media. Here's the OED with the correct pronunciation:

ASEAN, n. Pronunciation:

 Brit. /ˈasɪan/,  U.S. /ˈæsiˌæn/, /əˈsiən/

Someone correct it. Don't bother sending me a message as I won't read it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.9.76 (talk) 18:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)