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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 October 2024

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What I think should be changed:

Why it should be changed:

Because these are the findings of the "Four munitions experts" cited in the Washington Post article that itself supports the cooking gas cylinders claim.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

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2A00:23C6:EE8E:1:E5A4:A472:D4A0:1E22 (talk) 13:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thanks. This was a late addition to the Post article, it was not present in earlier versions. Andreas JN 466 15:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Masih, Niha; Pannett, Rachel; Harb, Hajar. "Deadly Israeli strike burns tents of displaced people at Gaza hospital". The Washington Post. Retrieved 14 October 2024.

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Hi, I would like to post one from the event, but I can't because I don't have the requirements. If any of you can post it, I would be very happy, thanks in any case. the photo is called GZ0Ubx4XUAQPot3.jpg and idfwarcrimesgaza Bajricvasco (talk) 19:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 October 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Al-Aqsa Hospital massacre be renamed and moved to Al-Aqsa Hospital airstrike.

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Al-Aqsa Hospital massacre → Al-Aqsa Hospital airstrike – Per WP:NCENPOV, "massacre" should only be used when used by the majority of source. Extremely few sources use the word for this airstrike, meaning that a move is required. Looking through the sources in the article, "strike" or "airstrike" is the most commonly used descriptor, making it the most appropriate title. It would also be consistent with Al-Shifa ambulance airstrike and other similar events. BilledMammal (talk) 10:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Not the common name and calling an airstrike a massacre is highly POV. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "airstrike", instead propose 14 October 2024 Al-Aqsa Hospital attack.
- We've had this "attack" vs "airstrike" debate before and consensus was "attack":
  - At 13 July 2024 al-Mawasi attack there was a debate between "airstrike" and "attack", and attack was chosen.
  - At Tel al-Sultan attack, the closer stated: ""attack" was used in the originally proposed title, and received a fair amount of additional explicit support, so I believe this is the descriptor with the greatest weight of consensus behind it. Other possible descriptors such as "airstrike" received scattered support, but were not widely discussed enough to justify a move." I count >30 users took part in that discussion.
  - At Al-Sardi school attack there was consensus[1] that "airstrike" was WP:OVERPRECISE, and "attack" was the best title.
  - At World Central Kitchen aid convoy attack, there was unanimous consensus[2] to move from "drones strikes" to "attack".
- Date is necessary. Israel bombed the hospital on 31 March, and also on Aug 4 and shelled it back in 2015. Maybe we should consider a broader article like Attacks on Al-Aqsa Hospital.

VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support change per nom. Either airstrike or Hospital attack are preferable than current title. Hogo-2020 (talk) 09:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Instead Support 14 October 2024 Al-Aqsa Hospital attack per VR. The Tel al-Sultan attack move discussion is quite applicable as in both instances, the majority of deaths occurred from the ensuing fire rather than the initial airstrike. मल्ल (talk) 15:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The suggested name is better, but since the attack is described in only one sentence, and the rest of the article text deals with the consequences, a better name would be Consequences of the 14 October Hospital Airstrike. TaBaZzz (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support anything that moves away from massacre in the title. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Masih, Niha; Pannett, Rachel; Harb, Hajar. "Deadly Israeli strike burns tents of displaced people at Gaza hospital". The Washington Post. Retrieved 14 October 2024.

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