Talk:Alabama–Mississippi State football rivalry

Rivalry name(s)

I for one (a University of Alabama student and employee) have never heard of the term "the 90 Mile Drive" when referring to this "rivalry". I have heard on a number of occasions be referred to as "the Battle for Highway 82" as the US HWY runs through both school's campuses. If we want to provide a standard of referencing rivalry names, that is one thing, but to try to remove one citing a lack of reference, while keeping another, is simply absurd. Rtr10 (talk) 05:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

[1], [2]. Here are 2 sources, which I'll add to the article. While flimsy, they do show that someone, somewhere, refers to the game as the "90 mile drive." Now, I will revert your edit until you can come up with something similar for the "battle for highway 82." CH52584 (talk) 20:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Nomination for Deletion

I think this article needs major additions to it. All this information can be found on the respective team pages...there's nothing new here. Considering that, plus the fact that this isn't a real rivalry, I'd suggest this page should be deleted if no significant additions are made. Please give your opinions, and I'll check back on a later date to see if any improvements have been made.CH52584 (talk) 04:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The the last AfD was only two weeks ago. Unless a bunch of new information has just been found, it would be reasonable to allow a month or two to pass between AfDs. EdJohnston (talk) 04:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to wait at least 2 weeks. I just wanted to go ahead and mention it now, so as to give any interested editors time to research the subject and make additions. I do think that, as it currently stands, this article is a candidate for deletion.CH52584 (talk) 04:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't really care, because I do not consider it to be a rivalry. Although it seems to be more of one from the side of Mississippi State than it does from Alabama. Anyway, there is information in the article that is not listed any where else on wikipedia, such as the football series information. I would also suggest that there be a little bit of time, to see if an article can be established since it has already went through AfD. It may help a little bit though if we move it to Alabama–Mississippi State athletic series or something like that, since no one (that I have seen here) considers it to be a real rivalry. Don't if any of you have thoughts on that, but it's just a suggestion. There is information here that there isn't anywhere else though. Rtr10 (talk) 07:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Check the Mississippi State Bulldogs football article. When this page went through AfD, I incorporated much of the information that was in the article at that time into the Mississippi State Bulldogs football article.CH52584 (talk) 11:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

That has nowhere near all of the information in this article on that page. it is two sentences. Like I said, I don't really care, but I did spend a lot of time and research into putting the complete series history in. I just want to make sure that will be moved somewhere (or its information) so it will not have been hours of my life wasted. Rtr10 (talk) 07:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I will try to find a place elsewhere where that information would fit, but I can't think of anything off the top of my head. And I don't think it's a good idea to save the article just to keep that bit of information somewhere.CH52584 (talk) 13:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Well that "bit of information" currently makes up about half of the information in this article. So when you said in your first post on this nomination for deletion that "All this information can be found on the respective team pages", that is not at all accurate. I'm sure if you had spent the time doing that research and putting that information together, you would probably have a different tone about this. Rtr10 (talk) 19:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

All the reason why this article is inadequate to begin with. I think that editors, particularly the creator of the article, should have an opportunity to create a great article, and though I doubt there is a whole lot of information out there to add to the article, editors should have an opportunity to do that research and make it an interesting article. But the fact remains that time you put into an article should not be the sole reason why the article is kept, if it is determined that the article meets the criteria for deletion.CH52584 (talk) 22:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

As I have said (I believe this is my third time now) I could careless rather the article stays or goes, but the fact you are not really a contributing editor to this article and being very misleading in your nomination for deletion, just kind of strikes me strange, especially since you submitted it for deletion a few weeks ago and resulted in the keep. I honestly believe you are making a big fuss out of nothing and really don't get your motives for wanting this deleted so bad. I guess to put it simply, I don't see why you are so riled up about this article when you have not made any quality contributions to the article. Just nagging edits. I just don't get it. Rtr10 (talk) 05:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I've contributed about as much to this article as anyone else. But I haven't spent that much time here because I don't think this subject is noteworthy enough for an article. If you look at the deletion log, you'll notice that the suggestion from the admin was to either expand the article or incorporate the information on this page into another page where appropriate. I copied most of the information from this article (albeit, before you added the series log) into Mississippi State Bulldogs football, and am now trying to encourage another editor to add more to the article. I am not trying to imply that this article NEEDS to be removed, which you accuse me of, but simply say that this article is inadequate, and needs to be improved upon. I don't think that is too much to ask. And if come January this article hasn't changed, then maybe it should be deleted. What is misleading or the "big fuss" about that? CH52584 (talk) 11:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify, this is not something that needs to be done immediately, but I wanted to go ahead and give notice that this article really needs significant improvement, as to give someone who considers this subject to be noteworthy has enough time to make those changes.CH52584 (talk) 14:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:CrimsonTideAlogo.png

The image File:CrimsonTideAlogo.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

• That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
• That this article is linked to from the image description page.

The following images also have this problem:

• File:MississippiStateBulldogs.png

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --19:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I moved the article

from "Alabama-Mississippi State rivalry" to "football game" as a compromise to the discussion above. I don't think there needs to be a wikipedia article for every matchup in the SEC though, so I suggest that we stop at this one and Alabama-Ole Miss rivalry.CH52584 (talk) 18:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, I believe, is that the article was originally written for the baseball rivalry... –  LATICS  talk  19:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

No, the oldest revisions [3] only mention football and basketball, with the football series being the only sport discussed in any depth.CH52584 (talk) 20:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

While I agree it is a joke to try to label the football series as a rivalry, Alabama and Mississippi State definitely are true rivals in men's basketball and baseball. It doesn't have to be a rivalry in football for the article have the rivalry tag, it just shouldn't be tagged as a rivalry in football related articles. And actually with the name 'Alabama–Mississippi State football game' it actually excludes what actually makes the rivalry, other sports. Definitely needs to be changed back, we can make clear in the opening paragraph that it is not a football rivalry though. Rtr10 (talk) 08:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Tagged the page to reopen discussion. This is the only page in 'Category:College (American) football rivalries in the United States' uses the format of 'Opp - Opp2 football game'. All other pages use either 'Opp - Opp2 football rivalry' or 'Opp - Opp2 rivalry'. Pasadena91 (talk) 02:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd delete the entire article. Alabama-Mississippi State is in no sense a "rivalry". Just because you play every year doesn't make you a rivalry. Vidor (talk) 22:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Map?

Does the map of the US really add value to this article? The US map is the only one that will show both schools on the same screen and isn't biased toward one state or the other (i.e., trying to show Alabama on the edge of a Mississippi map). —C.Fred (talk) 17:59, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Here's a map that could be added to the article.

150km
100miles

Mississippi State

Alabama

  

Locations along Highway 82

— Demrep (talk) 02:36, 12 January 2019 (UTC)