Talk:BSB

Removal of entries that did not mention "BSB" in the article, or which had no link

I have again removed several entries that do not comply with the disambiguation guidelines in WP:DISAMBIG and WP:DDD. "It is common knowledge they're referred top as BSB" is not sufficient grounds for inclusion. In particular:

From WP:DABSTYLE, with my emphasis: "Include related subject articles only if the term in question is actually described in the target article." The Backstreet Boys, Bar Standards Board, Civil Cooperation Bureau do not meet this criteria. If they are referred to as "BSB", then update the articles to say so - but be sure to cite reliable sources.

From WP:DDD: "Don’t add entries without a blue link." Boneless Skinless Breast does not meet this criteria. Nor are there any articles that link to such an article, so creating a red link is not appropriate ("Don’t add red links that aren't already used in an existing article"). If you feel so inclined, you could create an article, and then link the disambiguation page to it. However first ensure that the topic is notable. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:12, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

1st of all...they're are kicking off a tour with New Kids on the Block called "NKOTBSB"...so how are they not referred to as BSB? Also, why are there no references to the other listings, but apparently the Backstreet Boys need a reference? If I don't receive a satisfactory response in a timely fashion, I'm simply going to replace the BSB or just remove all of them that do no follow YOUR guidelines (which would be every single listing). Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.52.248 (talk) 13:44, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Please read WP:DABSTYLE - it clearly says (with my emphasis added): "Include related subject articles only if the term in question is actually described in the target article." For the Backstreet Boys to be included in the BSB disambiguation page it must describe the term BSB in the Backstreet Boys article. Currently it does not. If you can find a reliable source that uses the term BSB to refer to them, then add the term, with the reference, to the Backstreet Boys article, then add the Backstreet Boys article to the BSB disambiguation page.

As to "why are there no references to the other listing" - the other articles do include the abbreviation BSB. If you feel that any of those articles is incorrect in the use of the abbreviation, or requires a citation to justify the use of the abbreviation, feel free to update the article accordingly - eg by adding {{citation needed}}. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I've updated the Backstreet Boys article to include the BSB abbreviation (citing [1]), and so re-added that article to the BSB disambiguation page - because now it meets the criteria. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:20, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Somebody has reverted my addition of the abbreviation to the Backstreet Boys article, so I have again removed it from the disambiguation page (because now it doesn't meet the WP:DABSTYLE criteria). 69.117.52.248, if you have a problem with this, please take up the matter - of whether the abbreviation should be mentioned on Backstreet Boys - on Talk:Backstreet Boys. Personally I don't know or care whether it is a reasonable or common abbreviation, or whether it should be listed on the Backstreet Boys article, so I don't intend to get involved in that discussion. However I do request that you respect the WP:DABSTYLE criteria, and include the Backstreet Boys on the BSB page only if that abbreviation is listed on the group's page. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:22, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Request for comment on inclusion of Backstreet Boys

Should the Backstreet Boys be included on the BSB disambiguation page? Mitch Ames says not, because the Backstreet Boys article does not use the term BSB and WP:DABSTYLE says "Include related subject articles only if the term in question is actually described in the target article." 69.117.52.248 says it should be included because "It is common knowledge they're referred top as BSB." Mitch Ames (talk) 11:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I suppose it doesn't say much about me, other than making it quite obvious my approximate age - when I hear "BSB", I think "Backstreet Boys". A google search for "BSB" gives me "Backstreet Boys" for the first three hits, including Wikipedia's Backstreet Boys page ahead of the BSB dab page. In this case, I would ignore that rule and include it. Canada Hky (talk) 19:22, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Rather than ignoring the rule, wouldn't it be more sensible to add BSB to the Backstreet Boys article? I did that (citing their official web page, no less), but it was reverted. If BSB is a valid abbreviation, could you please re-add it to the Backstreet Boys article (I don't want to get into an edit war there as well!), so that we don't need to WP:IAR here. If we can't make the abbreviation "stick" in the target article, then it probably doesn't belong here.

Incidentally, I just did a Google search for BSB, and it didn't list Backstreet Boys at all on the first page. Possibly you got it because:

1. Google thought you'd be interested, based on your search history, or other info from cookies etc. (My age and browsing history is such that Backstreet Boys isn't the first and obvious meaning for BSB - at least not until I started this discussion!)
2. Google may have had a cached version of the Wikipedia page that briefly included the abbreviation "BSB".

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have a problem with BSB as an abbreviation for Backstreet Boys, I just have a problem with an unnecessary violation of WP:DABSTYLE. Actually the excessive use of unnecessary acronyms does annoy me greatly, but my personal opinion doesn't matter.) Mitch Ames (talk) 00:25, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

That sure doesn't say much about my browsing history...  ;) I got the same results from google.ca on someone else's PC at work, so maybe its a Canadian thing. I think we are at the point of two wrongs here. Adding it to the Backstreet Boys article gets reverted, so it gets removed from the dab page. Right now, I think both are wrong. The abbreviation should be used in both cases. The purpose of a dab page is to get someone to the right place when the terms they entered are ambiguous, so I think casting a wider net there first is the way to go. And then dealing with reversions / issues to the Backstreet Boys article itself. We are just going to chase our tails here otherwise. The Backstreet Boys home page Link (I can't believe I am checking this out) uses the line "The freshest, handpicked BSB content". Its a primary source, but it certainly shows that the acronym is used. Canada Hky (talk) 00:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, the BSB acronym is already used, at least in passing, on the Backstreet Boys page under the tour listing, for their joint tour with the NKOTB. Canada Hky (talk) 00:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm happy to accept that BSB is a legit abbreviation, so I've restored the term to the Backstreet Boys article, with reasons described on that article's talk page. With any luck the edit will remain this time. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, hopefully we never have to speak of this again....  ;) Canada Hky (talk) 13:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

We seem to be having some difficulty with the term "BSB" in the Backstreet Boys article. Perhaps 69.117.52.248 and Canada Hky would like to join the discussion there. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Editors are invited discuss the general problem of DABSTYLE-compliance at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#Acronyms. I have started that discussion as a direct result of the disagreement expressed above, and the new discussion explicitly includes this page. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:20, 17 April 2011 (UTC)