Talk:Barack Obama: Der schwarze Kennedy

Best-seller

The book seems to have been very popular in Germany, which I have expressed with the term "best-seller." However, I do not have any figures or even know if the expression "best-seller" is even used in Germany. Here is a quote from the NYT blog, cited in the article:

“Only a small, informed minority knew about Barack Obama in December,” said Christoph von Marschall, Washington bureau chief for the Tagesspiegel newspaper, whose book, “Barack Obama, The Black Kennedy,” came out then. He said after the Iowa Caucuses last week, interest in Mr. Obama and sales of the book – which is presently sold out on the German Amazon Web site – suddenly surged.

I think that shows it was a "best-seller." Steve Dufour (talk) 18:25, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

POV check

Unencyclopedic language, WP:COATRACKing, and misrepresentation of sources. This article needs to focus on the book and sources about the book. Looking at the references, much of the material sourced to Kettmann's article in the San Francisco Chronicle has nothing to do with the book. Viriditas (talk) 11:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you give concrete examples of what you mean, because I read the article and didn't see any such problems. I didn't check the SFC ref yet, so that'd be a specific example, but you'd think unencyclopedic language and coat-racking would be obvious, and I didn't see any on the first read through even with the conspicuous tag at the top. DreamGuy (talk) 12:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

And I just checked the SFC ref and it most certainly does support the statements in this article it's been cited for, and it does relate to the book. I have no clue what you think is wrong. Please explain. DreamGuy (talk) 13:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Try to read a bit closer. Let's start with, "The book's title, which implies a comparison between Obama and former President John F. Kennedy, seemed gimmicky to some people when it was published in December 2007." The source doesn't say that at all. It says, "What might have seemed like a gimmicky concept looking ahead a year ago ended up looking visionary when Kennedy family members embraced Obama and the Kennedy comparisons proliferated in U.S. coverage." That's quite different now, isn't it? Now, moving on to the third paragraph: "Steffen Hallaschka, a moderator for Germany's NDR TV, said about the comparison, "Germans in the '60s projected a lot of hope and fantasies on Kennedy. This is what they are doing with Obama." That's a nice coatrack, only problem is, that quote has nothing to do with the book. Viriditas (talk) 13:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't see those as particularly troublesome -- not enough to deserve a tag at the top of the article -- but if you have ways you think those can be fixed, by all means do so. DreamGuy (talk) 13:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, feel free to remove the tag, then. It is a {{POV check}} tag, after all. You've checked it. Viriditas (talk) 14:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I wrote most of the article. If you think it is too friendly to the book please feel free to add some negative criticisms from published reviews. That would add interest to the article. Steve Dufour (talk) 16:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not my position at all. I'm saying that the sources aren't used appropriately (partial gimmicky quote) and that the negative comment made by Hallashka does not appear to be about the book at all. Viriditas (talk) 01:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually the title of the book has generated more interest in the USA than its contents, which seem to be a kind of general overview of President Obama's life up to 2007. So a lot of the article is really more about the title comparing Obama and John Kennedy, which the sources commented on as well. I have not heard anything negative about the book itself. Steve Dufour (talk) 03:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)