Talk:Bottle pool

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
December 26, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 10, 2007.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that bottle pool, a hybrid game combining elements of pocket and carom billiards, was played by world-renowned quantum chemist and biochemist Linus Pauling?

Cue sports High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cue sports, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of pool, carom billiards and other cue sports on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Cue sportsWikipedia:WikiProject Cue sportsTemplate:WikiProject Cue sportscue sports articles

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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

Note: To watchlist this to-do list, click on "watch" at top right of this table. Watching the page it is transcluded on won't watch the to-do list.

GA Review

The article is well-sourced and well-written. It would be nice if it was a bit longer, but oh well. One thing, some of the citations in the lead probably could be trimmed, because WP:LEAD says that citations aren't needed there if that thing is sourced in the main article. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review. I really would love to make it longer with sourced material but I synthesized everything I could find on the game. I agree with you that in a traditional lead, one only needs citation where material appears that is not expanded on later in the article. However, for this subject the lead is the main body of the article (the information is not repeated) since there isn't enough information to make a separate lead. I suppose I could summarize the three lenghty paragraphs into one and make that a lead paragraph and place the existing opening under a section header labeled "history", but this seems redundant for an article of this length. Thanks again.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced "Variations" material

I have removed all of the following beause despite multiple editors on it no one added a source for any of it. Good Articles cannot have unsourced stuff in them (no articles should have any, of course, but this would be delisted as a GA if it retained possibly made-up stuff like this).

Other variations include playing the game in three "innings". The first inning is scored as described above and is typically played to 30, 40, or 50 points. Players must score exactly the number of points needed without going over. If a player goes over, they continue their turn and continue to score points. If a player scratches after going over, they return to zero. 1 ball is worth one point, 2 ball is worth two points, knocking the bottle over is worth 5 points, knocking the bottle over and having it land upright (either end down) is worth 10 points, knocking the bottle off the table or into a pocket is -10 points, a carom is worth 1 point. Once a player reaches the designated number of points, that player is vulnerable for the remainder of their turn. A player is considered "consolidated" once they have reached the designated number of points (and additional caroms) when their turn is over. Caroms by a vulnerable player count towards the second inning score. However, any balls potted or bottle knocked over results in going over. Two safeties are permitted per player or team.
Spotting in this game is slightly different. While starting positions are the same as the above, the 1 ball is spotted on the center spot at the foot of the table. The 2 ball is spotted on the center spot at the head of the table. The bottle is spotted similarly. After a scratch, balls in "the kitchen" may not be struck without hitting a rail outside the kitchen. This rule applies to the 2 ball if it is spotted.
The second inning consists of scoring the prerequisite number of caroms. Generally, if the first inning is to 30, the number of caroms required is 3; similarly, with a first inning to 40, four caroms are required. Potting object balls is permitted and a turn continues. A scratch occurs by potting the cue ball or knocking the bottle over. Scratching omits any run. Scratching without a run, is loss of a point. A player can return to the first inning due to a scratch or knocking the bottle off the table. The rules related to vulnerability and consolidation apply to a player returning to the first inning. A player cannot go over in the second inning.
The third and final inning is completed by scratching off the 1 ball in a shooter designated pocket. This inning is known as "in off". A player may not sink any ball or knock the bottle over or off the table in the "in-off" inning. Knocking the bottle off the table is -10 points and knocking the bottle over is a scratch. Inability to strike the 1 ball results in a scratch. Scratches result in a return to the 2nd inning.

It all sounds to me like particular club rules, and if it is, it won't be encyclopedic anyway. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ Contribs. 01:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

There is uncited text in the article, including an entire paragraph.
There is a "citation needed" tag in the article, placed in 2014.
"Illegal shots and fouls" has an external link in the text: is this a reliable source that can be used as an inline citation, or should it be removed?
There is information in the lead which is not in the article body. This also makes the lead very long for an article of this size. This information should be moved to the article body (and properly cited) and the lead should be a summary of the body's contents.

Is anyone interested in fixing up this article, or should this be sent to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

Bottle pool

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Result pending

The lead contains information that is not in the article body, which makes it very long for an article of this size. This information should be moved to the article body (and properly cited), and the lead should be a summary of the body's contents. There is also uncited text in the article, including an entire paragraph, a "citation needed" tag placed in 2014 that should be resolved, and "Illegal shots and fouls" has an external link in the text: is this a reliable source that can be used as an inline citation, or should it be removed? Z1720 (talk) 01:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this could be made viable, but I suspect I wouldn't have the time to do so. I don't really know much about this game. I'll take a look and see what small bits I can do without fully researching. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]