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Red-hued soils

I removed this sentence as it appears it may be original research - can a reference be supplied? The soils could derive their colour from glacial till formed from ORS, rather than bedrock. And the ORS has not been pushed up on both sides. I'll see about adding some referenced material on this latter point. cheers Geopersona (talk) 03:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"Castell carreg cennin" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Castell carreg cennin and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 12#Castell carreg cennin until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jr8825 • Talk 21:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bolding Castell Carreg Cennen and Website

Dankjae, you had second thoughts about one of your edits, but I think your edit was good. I put it back. Here are the reasons:

The website is correctly the Cadw one. The castle is in the hands of Cadw and managed and maintained by them. But to get to the castle, most visitors (and all who come by vehicle) must come through the farm, which is a private enterprise that markets itself as the castle and farm. Their website discusses the castle and is well put together, but is also out of date (still speaking of social distancing closures, for instance). There is clearly close cooperation between them and Cadw, and I am not sure who owns the land the castle lies on, but Cadw remain the statutory body responsible for care and maintenance of the castle. You pay Cadw entry after passing through the farm. So yes, the Cadw website.
Thus what Cadw call it is of some relevance. They call it Castell Carreg Cennen. Moreover that name is an incoming redirect link to this page. It is fine to bold it.

Regarding common name, the usual questions arise. But this has been labelled as Castell Carreg Cennen on signs for a long time, and on some maps. It is unusual among Welsh castles in that the Welsh name is quite recognisable (ETA maybe not that unusual, I can think of some others). I have made no survey into common name, and we may not be there yet - may not even be close - but the bold link is justified as it is definitely a well recognised term, at least in Wales itself. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 06:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sirfurboy, I don't plan to raise any RMs on the title for a while, but did notice that Cadw had started using Welsh names on some castles and as Cadw is the only manager for some, decided to bold their use. carregcennencastle.com is clearly also on the castle not just the farm even if it is out of date. Cadw do work with Cilgerran Castle for example, but it is run by National Trust. Dank Jae 09:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is clearly on the castle and the farm and (if I had actually read the page carefully before commenting) is on their land. But Cadw remain the managing agent. You pay Cadw to get in, you sue Cadw if you fall off the wall or trip in the tunnel, and Cadw provide the services, maintain the bridges etc. It is a site in Cadw's care. So I think the Cadw website is the best one. I don't have a strong opinion on the website though. But it is not just Cadw that call this Castell Carreg Cennen in English. A lot of people do. The first English language description of the castle on the nascent world wide web did in January 1993. (I know. It was me! Wayback Machine doesn't go that way back.) Maps have it etc. There are a few Welsh castles that this is arguably true of. E.g. Castell Coch, Castell y Bere etc. The Welsh name is a redirect that lands here, and so the bolding is definitely fine. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sirfurboy, I guess, not too into overall use, just decided as Cadw was the main manager for some of them, their use has higher weight. If I found another private website, not using it, then avoided bolding, to respect their use and not impose Cadw's. But I guess this situation is more complex. Dank Jae 11:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales § Cadw's renaming of castles

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales § Cadw's renaming of castles. Concerning the bolding and formatting of the Welsh name in this article following its adoption by Cadw. I have noted the discussion above. Dank Jae 20:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]