Talk:Cast-iron architecture

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Should the title really have a hyphen between cast and iron? The cast iron article isn't hyphenated. Wizard191 (talk) 19:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'cast iron' is only hyphenated when used adjectivally, e.g., 'a cast-iron fitting'; as a noun it does not require a hyphen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.208.251 (talk) 15:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

check the title of the book by Margot Gayle. It should be: Cast-Iron Architecture in New York: A Photographic Survey. the co-author is Edmund V. Gillon, Jr. I am Karen Zukowski, a historian. -----

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What is this article about exactly ?

The title is cast iron 'architecture', but its equally about cast-iron in engineering ie bridges, and the structure of buildings, which is also engineering, and also about when it is used decoratively in the exterior of a building, which is when you can start talking about 'style'. Also, hardly any examples. The French version is much better !

I dont really want to substantially change it, but i will feel compelled... Rohanstorey (talk) 06:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well it seems you've already started, so thanks for that.

This is not a good article, certainly. It's mostly ten years old and hasn't grown much since. But then, half of our articles are below average, and the average quality is sinking too. So all I can suggest is to agree that yes, it needs a lot of work and that if you're interested in doing it, then congratulations and thankyou.

I would dispute that the French article is any better. They don't have an article on cast-iron architecture, theirs is on metal architecture, so covers wrought iron and steel too. Despite that, it's smaller. So I don't see it as any exemplar to follow.

What I would suggest, if you want to produce an article which ends up with a really coherent editorial narrative, would be to plan that first here on talk: Otherwise we just get yet another of those "good article"s where the only thing good about it is the formatting of the commas, and the content is still missing.

What do you think the scope of this article should be? Cast-iron in architecture, or cast-iron in civil engineering? Can we do both, or would the first necessity be to split the largely decorative from the largely functional?

I have zero editing time for the next couple of weeks, but I'd be very interested in bouncing around ideas for this, even if I have little time to write.

As a suggestion (not a structure, just a check list of some of the essential topics):

Lead

Major applications
Dates of main use
Appearance today

Survivors
New build

Cast-iron as a material

History and introduction
Production costs and coke smelting
Coalbrookdale
Development for engineering purposes, and the use for complex fitments in architecture
Transport of large cast iron components to sites in the pre-transport era and the development of modularisation

Cast-iron in architecture

Cast-iron
Cast-iron architecture as a style

Cast-iron standard components and catalogues.
Low-cost decorative features for the middle classes. The balconies or garden railings of Cheltenham and New Orleans
Cast-iron factories. The cheap pillar as a means of providing wide mill floors
Cast-iron fireproof warehouses

Cast-iron in civil engineering

Its use for bridges (IB, Buildwas Bridge, Wearmouth Bridge, Victoria Bridge?)

Developing understanding of tensile behaviour
The disappearance of it from large bridge designs
Notable failures

Stephenson's Dee Bridge
Brunel's Uxbridge Bridge fire, his "rejection" of cast iron and the continuing use he made of it
Tay Bridge collapse

The understanding of compression strength, and expansion of its use for appropriate applications

Bridge piers
Aqueducts, especially bridges
Plumbing and sewerage
Iron lighthouses

Andy Dingley (talk) 10:27, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]