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Asking for a citation

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The practice of asking for a citation can easily become an example of tag bombing, gaming the system and abuse of process, like this instance. Films, and video games and music videos are sources on their own according to the relevant Wikipedia policy, and the use of the primary sources are allowed under the condition that - "only make descriptive claims about the information found in the primary source, the accuracy and applicability of which is easily verifiable by any reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge, and make no analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about the information found in the primary source." Since, the profusion of {{fact}} tags put in to the article couldn't be justified by the policies, and there's reason to believe that is was an example of an unacceptable attempt to illustrate a point according to Wikiepdia guidelines (the tagger has been trying to get the article deleted), I took the liberty of removing them. If someone decides to add back such a tag, please, play by the rules and explain here. Aditya(talk • contribs) 11:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The lack of references in this article shows that all of this is nothing more than original research and an attempt to bomb Wikipedia with nonsense. Besides which, even if we accepted the acceptance of a film as its own evidence, where is the proof that a particular catsuit was made of the material that is claimed in this article? Corvus cornixtalk 06:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually your use of fact tags, IMHO, is disruptive. We certainly can cite the movies themselves to assert that a catsuit or bodysuit played a part in the costuming and i see assuming otherwise as a leap of bad faith. Banjeboi 07:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But the reversion of my good faith tags is an acceptable lack of good faith. And I still haven't gotten an answer to my question as to what reliable source indicates the material the catsuits are made form. Corvus cornixtalk 07:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You have a concern that the material of a costume is somehow being misrepresented? Really? Banjeboi 07:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are claims that certain actors wore pleather, others wore latex, others wore leather. But there is no proof for those claims. That violates WP:V. WhenI tagged this article for a citation for each of those claims, I was reverted without a citation being provided. That's vandalism. Corvus cornixtalk 07:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see that as vandalism as much as a content dispute. Simply start a thread stating "materials used for these need to be cited as the films themselves unlikely state what materials the costumes are made of, if the films do, for instance, in dialog or in DVD commentary, etc. please provide that information per WP:V." Spreading fact tags around seems more confrontational to others than it does to you; the goal is to improve the article so your approach may be more successful in this way. Another option would be to use <!--- these around text ---> these handy tools to comment out content like the materials used, until it a source is supplied. Banjeboi 08:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I support Benjiboi. The fabric/material can be removed if someone feels like it. The current sources can't possibly support information of that kind. Aditya(talk • contribs) 18:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear I think the films, or original items could reference that material, Corvus cornix does have a point that it would be better to have source that asserts that rather than we asserting something that may or may not be true. I'm generally opposed to voluminous tagging of any kind as it detracts from our readers experience - many of whom could care less about such matters - when a dozen fact tags could be replaced with a section tag. Banjeboi 23:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Only as far as the color of the catsuit goes, the films and videos are good as sources. But the vinyl/leather/latex/etc. can't possibly be established from the footage without some OR involved. Therefore my suggestion/agreement that mention of the material/fabric may be removed if necessary. Aditya(talk • contribs) 14:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you are mistaken. For instance a character may reference what material an outfit is made of and we can then reference that. Likewise, DVD commentary or added features could easily include such information. Banjeboi 23:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmmmmmm... good point. But, even if that's possible (the films I have seen does nothing like that, but it's entirely possible), would the music videos do the same? And, even if they did, it may be safer to have them removed unless someone can cite the video credibly. Aditya(talk • contribs) 11:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would say the same thing - a lyric, for instance could explain the material and there certainly are instances where people talk about the clothes they wear in videos. My hunch is tag it for refs for a month, then if nothing happens remove them to talk page and say please provide a ref before re-adding these. Banjeboi 00:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Catsuit in Barbarella?

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I've watched Barbarella more than once and I do not recall seeing the heroine in a catsuit. 78.147.11.227 (talk) 13:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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