Talk:Charlie White (figure skater)

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Background

I received the following note on this article: "Hi, perhaps this isn't the correct place to make changes but maybe you could help me. Charlie White's bio says that he is Jewish, and I know, since I'm his mother that he is of a Christian religion. My mother married my stepfather, who is Jewish and she adopted his religion and traditions and we often share in the religious festivities with them. My mother led a reporter from the Jewish News to believe that Charlie is also Jewish and he printed it in his paper. And evidently, if something is printed in a paper, other papers will just assume it to be true. However, I can assure you that as much as we love the Jewish religion, traditions and people, we are not Jewish. Please make the correction. Jacqui1787 (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)Jacqueline White"[reply]

For the moment, I propose moving the info here (out of the article).--Epeefleche (talk) 15:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following text was in the bio. It was supported by a number of RSs. But for the moment, given the above, I'm moving it here, along with its references. Over time, I expect that more will be written on the subject -- if the initial statement turns out to have been true and that is verifiable, it can be moved back in.

White, who is Jewish,^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

^ Hilary Leila Krieger; The Jerusalem Post (2010-02-25). "Zaretskys skate into top 10". Washington Jewish Week. Retrieved 2011-02-28. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
^ Ron Kaplan (January 5, 2011). "The year in Jewish sports". New Jersey Jewish News. Retrieved February 19, 2011.
^ "Jewish ice dancer takes Olympic silver". JTA. February 23, 2010. Retrieved February 27, 2011.
^ Bloom, Nate (February 20, 2010). "Askmen answers, Silverman's new beau, Another American in Vancouver". Jweekly.com. Retrieved February 28, 2011. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

--Epeefleche (talk) 15:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, in February 2013, Jacqueline White's helpful note (quoted above) was confirmed by The Detroit Jewish News, which issued a formal correction after White and Davis won their gold medal in Sochi. They explained that the initial report about White had been based on information from an apparently reliable source that turned out the be incorrect. I can't find a direct link on line, but the correction was reprinted by JTA and others. [1][2][3]. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:04, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Source collection

http://www.freep.com/article/20140202/SPORTS/302020058/Jeff-Seidel-Michigan-ice-dancers-Meryl-Davis-Charlie-White-make-perfect-pair--Tznkai (talk) 01:01, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

L'Equipe allegations

Current text, reference embedded:

In Feburary 2014, the French sports newspaper L'Équipe reported that according to an anonymous senior Russian coach, Russia and the United States have set up a “proposed barter” to help each other at the Sochi Olympic figure skating events. Specifically, the United States would help Russia win the team gold event, while Russia would reciprocate by supporting White and Davis win gold over defending Olympic champions Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir.^[1]

I'm looking for English language sources right now. I'm not as clear what the policy line is on reporting on rumors and accusations by anonymous sources on public figures.--Tznkai (talk) 17:18, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Piece on Canada.com repeating the L'Equipe source, some additional reporting, and a lot of speculation. I don't know the quality of the source.--Tznkai (talk) 17:24, 8 February 2014 (UTC) sports reporting http://www.canada.com/olympics/news/russia-u-s-have-vote-swapping-deal-to-deny-virtue-moir-ice-dance-gold-says-lequipe[reply]

OK. Using better search terms, I've come up with http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/alleged-olympic-vote-swapping-deal-would-keep-canada-from-gold-1.2528489 and http://www.thestar.com/sports/sochi2014/figureskating/2014/02/08/is_the_fix_in_for_virtue_and_moir.html from CBC and the Toronto star.--Tznkai (talk) 17:26, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rewritten paragraph with English sourcing. I feel like this belongs in a broader article about the 2014 Olympics or Ice dancing in general, ~~but I wouldn't contest its inclusion in this article.~~--Tznkai (talk)

Upon reflection, inclusion in this article would possibly violate WP:BLP and it definitely isn't directly on point. I'll be dropping the next in the appropriate Olympics 2014 article(s), feel free to look into the history of this page.--Tznkai (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.lequipe.fr/Tous-sports/Article/Petits-arrangements-entre-amis/10186

A modest proposal

Since Davis and White have been skating exclusively as a team since early in their early career, why don't we write just one copy and transclude the other?--Tznkai (talk) 19:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:55, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Title of the article

Is White a figure skater or an ice dancer? I thought he was the latter. Or, is it all the same thing? I have no idea. From the 2014 Olympics, it seems that he is known for his ice dancing, which dates back to 1997 (when he was age 10). Should the article title reflect what he is notable for (as an ice dancer), or is he equally noted for being a figure skater? Or, like I asked, is it all one and the same? I am not familiar with the sport, so I have no idea. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Hilary Leila Krieger; The Jerusalem Post (2010-02-25). "Zaretskys skate into top 10". Washington Jewish Week. Retrieved 2011-02-28. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

[2] Ron Kaplan (January 5, 2011). "The year in Jewish sports". New Jersey Jewish News. Retrieved February 19, 2011.

[3] "Jewish ice dancer takes Olympic silver". JTA. February 23, 2010. Retrieved February 27, 2011.

[4] Bloom, Nate (February 20, 2010). "Askmen answers, Silverman's new beau, Another American in Vancouver". Jweekly.com. Retrieved February 28, 2011. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

[5] ttp://www.lequipe.fr/Tous-sports/Article/Petits-arrangements-entre-amis/10186

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