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Short description: American sportswriter
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A fact from Cliff Christl appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Cliff Christl, who became the Green Bay Packers team historian in 2014, estimated that he had recorded more than 250 oral histories with past players and coaches since the 1990s?
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Overall: The 250 count is from Christl himself, so it seems that it should be attributed to him. Perhaps something like "Cliff Christl estimated that he has recorded more than 250..." The last portion since he started in the 1990s can be misinterpretted that these were all while he was the team's historian. Also, there's no context in the bio about the 1990s period, to provide background on why he started accumulating these. —Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonzo fan2007: The "since the 1990s" part still needs to be added to the article too. Mulling it over, I'm not sure if the average reader has the context of whether 250 over a 30 year period is impressive or not. As an alternative, how about a hook of Christl coming out retirement after 7 yrs and already doing research as a hobby before becoming their historian: "I have been retired for seven years and I don't believe I have had a boring day in that entire period," Christl said. "I loved retirement, but researching Packers' history was my hobby. That's where I was spending a lot of my time. So, why not take advantage of all the information I've collected and preserve it and share it with others? That just seemed to make sense at this point in time in my life."[1]—Bagumba (talk) 08:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how I missed the 1990s part, thought it was already in there. I have added it accordingly. If you have another ALT, I am happy to consider it. However, I do think documenting the Packers for over 30 years, even before he became historian, while accumulating over 250 oral histories (which are fairly intense processes) is interesting enough to the general reader. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 16:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonzo fan2007: Ok, your prose changes satisfy ALT1. For the retirement alternative, it would be something roughly like "Cliff Christl was retired and researching the Green Bay Packers' history as a hobby before he was hired to be their historian?" The hobby part would need to be added to the article.—Bagumba (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 approved. @Gonzo fan2007: I could also add the ALT and ask for another reviewer, but your hook is interesting enough to defer to you as the nominator. Thanks for your patience.—Bagumba (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]