Talk:Conrad IV, King of the Romans

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NO GERMANY IN THE MIDDLE AGES!!!

There was no germany until 1871. The kings of the holy roman emperor NEVER carried the title "of germany" since there was no such state. The title was rather "german king", which makes a difference because it means the king is german....not he's the king of germany, and after getting the papal blessing he carried the title "roman emperor". But "king of germany" is incorrect! Eromae (talk) 08:47, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there was. Germany was one of the main constituent kingdoms of the HRE (Italy and Arles/Burgundy being the other two). The formal title from the late 11th century onwards would be "king of the Romans" but in letters and chronicles they were refered to as "rex teutonicorum" or "rex alemaniae/germaniae". From 1508 onwards the formal royal title of the crowned emperor was "rex germaniae".--MacX85 (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shouting doesn't make you right, Eromae. While it is true that Conrad IV never carried the title "King of Germany", neither was there a title "German king" ever. And it has nothing to do with "the king is german". The term "Roman-German king" is used by historians but the actual title since the 12th century was "King of the Romans" - and that remained the title of any ruler not crowned Emperor during the Middle Ages.

MacX85 is not fully correct either. While the title "Rex Germaniae" pops up in the 16th century, it never "the formal royal title of the crowned emperor". In 1508, Maximilian I adopted the title "Imperator electus" when his march to Rome failed. After him, all "kings of the Romans" adopted the same title when they were crowned kings - so not immediately after their election. The exception were kings elected when their father was still alive. The were "King of the Romans" as long as their father was alive and adopted the term "Imperator electus" when their father died.

"Rex Germaniae" never was the primary title but merely one in a long list of titles. Str1977 ^(talk) 13:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It did't pop up "here and there". It was decreed in 1508 by Maximillian I that the imperial title was "emperor-elect of the Romans, king in Germany...". ["N. erwehlten Römischen Kaysern, zu allen Zeiten Mehrern des Reichs, in Germanien ... ... Königen"]

The title would henceforth always (unless all but the imperial title were cut for brevity) be styled this way. -MacX85 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810D:B6C0:ADC:AD68:EEFA:3385:858A (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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