Talk:Consuelo Reyes-Calderón

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Regarding a question that I raised on User talk:Elisa.rolle#Consuelo Reyes-Calderon about her name:

Spanish name, her actual surname is Reyes. My guess is the hyphen is to avoid people using Calderon? But, trust me, in the US, you may find records multiple ways—Reyes, Calderon, Reyes-Calderon. I found the link for the Speaker for Suffrage doc in Archives.org. An original copy is here and you will see they have hand-corrected the name to Consuelo Reyes Calderón. Also found this [1], pt. 1, pt 2 and there is data at Alexander Street Press, which the WikiLibrary tells me should be available by the first part of August. (Note, there is also a Costa Rican singer with this same name, but she remained in Costa Rica). SusunW (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, SusunW. I tried her name several ways (Reyes in surname, Reyes with first name, without Reyes), but not Reyes as the surname.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

SusunW, is there a way to find a death date? I wasn't able to, I guess it's around 1980...--Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I cannot find it in ancestry, but I found her date of birth 14 Sep 1904 and full name of Consuelo De Jesus Calderon Reyes - and I know it's the right person because the contact on the border crossing record is Mabel Vernon. I am still not finding naturalization or death records. Perhaps there's an obit in newspapers.com.

Funny, from the manifest record (which was hard to read, I didn't catch it at first):

• She did come through Brownsville, Texas in 1943. That record gives her mother's name.
• Although she had an apartment near Mabel Vernon, who lived at Hay Adams House in DC, she says on the manifest that her visit in 1944 was to live in DC permanently.

It's not saying that she came to the US in 1942 (when she is said to have met Vernon), and I am finding no record that she did, but indexes can get messed up if someone makes a typo or misreads fuzzy records.

I'll sort out how much of this is article worthy - perhaps only her mother's name - but thought it might be of interest.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:09, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Brought this over, too:

I looked at the record and am not sure because of the way it is typed as sort of an afterthought. [2] This is surely the same person [3]. Maybe we just use Spanish name template? SusunW (talk) 16:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

SusunW, Yes, the two records are now in the article. I don't know about the Spanish name template.

I'll do some more searching and see most used in newspapers, books, internet, etc.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:31, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

CaroleHenson I added the template. It's always hard with Spanish names, harder than even just name changes for women in general. The newspaper clipping (pt 2) I posted on Elisa's page says she was naturalized, but again, under what name, I have no idea. SusunW (talk) 16:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@SusunW and Elisa.rolle: The search results are:

"Consuelo Reyes Calderon" OR "Consuelo Reyes-Calderon" "Mabel Vernon" - 78 records

"Consuelo Reyes" "Mabel Vernon" - 132 records, which also includes records from this top group

"Consuelo Calderon" "Mabel Vernon" - none

Thanks, Susun for the name template.––CaroleHenson (talk) 16:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@SusunW and Elisa.rolle: Sorry to keep pinging, there was an error in my search (two end quotes) which threw off the results.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:46, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

this sort of but not exactly, indicates she died in 1982 in D.C.? SusunW (talk) 16:59, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Great find! We could say that she lived in Washington, D.C. until 1982 - or something like that. I don't use the social archive as a source. Is it ok, or is it better to look up the source: Papers of Consuelo Reyes Calderón, 1969-1980, n.d. (Harvard University). WorldCat record id: 705546576. I didn't find it in a google search with those words, but I think there are two existing sources - one Harvard, the other WorldCat - that might have that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

CaroleHenson I don't like to use SocialArchive either. Checked both newspapers.com and newspaperarchive.com, Nada. Checked SS Death Lists, Nada. I was surprised searching "Papers of Consuelo Reyes Calderón, Harvard" did not result in any link. SusunW (talk) 19:26, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

SusunW, me, too - except I don't have newspaperarchive.com. I did find the Papers business. There doesn't seem to be a separate Finding Aid for her. She's under a finding aid for Rebecca Reyher in a long list of people she communicated with: "85.8. Reyes Calderon, Consuelo, 1949-1986, n.d." I also did searches on the internet with her year of birth, 1975 (Vernon's death), and 1982. nada. I say we just leave it alone, then.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

CaroleHenson trust me, I totally understand. I do Spanish women all the time and the name is always a big issue in English sources. Not knowing the name, makes it really, really hard to find dates. I say we go with what we have and hope more turns up later. I find ties to Ángela Acuña Braun and the Inter-American Commission of Women but only snippets. SusunW (talk) 19:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

SusunW, I was thinking what I'd do in her shoes, once my love (and likely friends) pass on, and I'd go home or be near living family members. Well, so I checked border crossing records a ton of ways. There are other Reyes Caleron people that moved to the States who were born within a couple of years of her - but no way of knowing if there's a connection. Again, sadly, nada.

But, silly me, since she corresponded until 1986, it looks like from the heading at Harvard, we could say that due to the correspondence file she was likely alive into 1986. I could add that qualified statement. Sorry this is getting drawn out... my mind just kept thinking about it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

CaroleHenson It's what I do too. Ponder, question, re-tweak. I dunno about returning. I cannot imagine ever going back. Having lived abroad for many years, I have no home, just a vagabond. SusunW (talk) 20:21, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Source check please

Elisa.rolle

There is a source: "Women lawyers' journal", Volumes 32-33, Page 168 for her employment in Costa Rica which doesn't make sense to me. The link doesn't provide a view of the book. Do you have a copy of the book? If so, can you verify what kind of information is covered in the source regarding Reyes-Calderon?

Thanks so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I see that it has the wrong title. The title is actually: Guide to Libraries and Archives in Central America and the West Indies, Panama, Bermuda, and British Guiana. It would still be nice to know the nature of the information. Perhaps there is more there that can be used.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes the link is: https://books.google.it/books?id=FkRjAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Consuelo+Reyes-Calderon%22&dq=%22Consuelo+Reyes-Calderon%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEpq6ZyZ_VAhXJ1hQKHXWEAWsQ6AEIQzAH, but I do not have the book and what I can see is only saying: "Biblioteca Apostolica de la Oracion. Librarian Srta Consuelo Reyes Calderon."--Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Elisa.rolle,Yep, I didn't get much sleep last night (tons of pain, easier to work through it than try and not be able to get to sleep). Apparently I'm a little dazed and confused.

The Womens' Lawyer Journal is the first source in the article. That's also a snippet, which is a problem. I put a better source tag on it and explained why in the tag. I didn't see the snippet for this one... which at least has a complete line of info... although it's not in context.

I still have some more sources to go through.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:50, 23 July 2017 (UTC)