Talk:Corcoran (disambiguation)

Where are you getting this "set in stone" type assertion regarding the name predating the Romans etc ? The references you mention are mostly weblinks where bald statements are made with no sources in type mentioned. Matter of fact so is most web based genealogy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.167.254 (talk • contribs)

Look at the number of people you say have the name in Britain 7,747 -in a population of approx 56 million or so?

Now look at the number that were in Ireland in 1890-estimated to be 5,900 .The population was about 6 million at the time.

I rest my case! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.144.190 (talk • contribs)

This is not true

The references and sources you used are not accurate, for example the first source listed says Murphy is a british surname,which is a lie.

Dear administrators here are Irish surnames that the website claims are British.

Ahern Bailey Brahan Broderick Callaghan Canning Clancy Coffee CORCORAN Cohen Collins Coneely Conlan Connaughtan Connolly Connell Connery Conway Corbett

There is too may surnames to list I'm sure this will suffice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RepublicanEagle (talk • contribs) 08:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

• I think the confusion arises in that Corcoran was an anglisation of the Gaelic version of the name, O'Corcoráin. Though anglicised, Corcoran is very much an Irish name, its just not IN Irish. To Claim that it is British is like claiming Ryan Air is British just because it uses the english for Air. Incidently, Coffee is an Irish name never mind a surname? Heheh, interesting... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.153.4 (talk • contribs)

What are you talking about?It still isnt the anglicised form.

For example I take an English name like Black and say its Irish by writing down Dubh does not mean its Irish get yourself together you clown.If its Irish why do have it cited as British? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RepublicanEagle (talk • contribs)

• I don't, I'm simply hilighting where the idiot who wrote this article may have gotten confused, forgive me for calling Corcoran the anglicised form but what else do I call it when I compare it to O'Corcoráin which I have used as well? Fact of matter is anyway, my point was that whether a name in any language, that doesn't change its associated nationality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.153.4 (talk • contribs)

Thats true, an administrator should give out a vandal warning,I looked at this guy RepublicanEagle contribution to it and it is far more detailed and the sources are good.How is it the anglicised version of O'Corcráin and pre dated the Roman Empire?They didn't even speak english back then.Man what an idiot and not only that he is a vandal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HolyChristianWarrior (talk • contribs)

Nice to see the correction, good job to whoever did it. I wonder if the name has to do with a ruddy hair colour or a ruddy face... not a single person in my extended family is red haired but by God a lot of us are red faced... heheh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.153.4 (talk • contribs)

Hah hah yeah from all the drinking we do!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by HolyChristianWarrior (talk • contribs)

This guy

He is really beginning to annoy me by continually vandalising the talk page by blanking it!!!! User:HolyChristianWarrior 20:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Article Cleanup

This article is currently in really sad shape. It has two counter claims and poor citations. I will do what I can to clean it up, but I need all of the contributors' help to come to consensus on changes before making them. Edit wars and reverting aren't going to help. It is obvious that people have a passion for this article, so let us channel that into making a good article. We need to find better sources than unsourced webpages. People might even have to hit the library! Anyone interested? --Chuck Sirloin 16:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked a couple of socks of banned accounts, so that should help. Give me a shout if they should pop up again. And thanks for volunteering to help clean things up! Rklawton 16:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so I know this will be contentious, but 3 of the four sources listed for the claim of it being a British forename are not even sources. The webpages provided don't have (that I could find) any mention of Corcoran, so they will be removed. This leaves no sources for the claim that the name is British. Indeed even the british claim says it comes from Gaelic which would make it Irish, no? Anyway, the text for the Irish claim is taken directly from a couple of websites, so it probably needs to be re-written anyway. I have been unable to find any legitimate sources so far for the origin, but it is pretty obvious from the amount of Google results that it is probably Irish. SO, I am going to list it as Irish with a cite needed tag. Plus I will be clearing out non-notable entries from the Names and places sections. --Chuck Sirloin 17:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. My own preference (POV) is that we use proper reliable/verifiable sources – I don't care if the name turns out to be Polish. Have you any leads on surname authorities? Given the age of the name, there's bound to be some definitive works somewhere. Rklawton 17:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I made a major revision, moving the article inline with other surname articles. I simple called it a surname instead of Irish or British, but attributed it to Gaelic. There were two references given (books) so I cited those, but the {{verify}} tag should stay on until someone can actually check the books mentioned to make sure they really give the info. I re-wrote the possible copyvio stuff. Article should be ok now. --Chuck Sirloin 18:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Selket brought up a good idea that we should consider:

It might also be useful to split the page off to something like Corcoran (surname) and leave Corcoran as a true disambiguation page. Right now it is half way in between.

I think that they have a good point. This brings up a problem with most name or surname articles needing some improvements in terms of consistency. --Chuck Sirloin 18:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to keep: "Related variations of the name Corcoran historically include MacCorcoran, O'Corcoran, and Corcorran. The surname Corcoran is found in England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Australia, Canada, and the United States." However, I do not believe the following should be kept: "The sept called MacCorcoran was of some importance in the Ely O'Carroll county. They are still people of substance in Offaly, Cork and Tipperary Counties today. The O'Corcorans hailed from Fermanagh and included a number of figures of historical importance such as the Bishop of Clogher in 1370 and Edmund O'Corcoran, "the hero of Limerick" (from the siege of 1691)." What does everyone else think? 63.3.20.1 19:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Why do you think that it should be removed? I think it gives a nice bit of background for the name. --Chuck Sirloin 19:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it sourced? Rklawton 20:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, a source for it is listed, but it is a book that I have not been able to verify yet. It probably needs to be verified, but yes, it has a source. --Chuck Sirloin 17:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• According to ancestry.com (which compiles immigration records of passengers coming to the United States to help determine the top countries of origin of names), 1,813 Corcorans wrote that they came from Ireland, 251 came from Great Britain, 248 emigrated from England, 9 from Gibraltar, 6 from Britain, and 5 were listed from England/Ireland. Ancestry.com at least lists sources as opposed to those apocryphal heraldic websites. -- LeCour^T:C 15:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have an ancestry.com account, so I can't verify it, but if you do have one, that would be a pretty good source for the assertion at least that, in the US, most corcorans are of Irish ancestry.--Chuck Sirloin 17:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Corcoran

Certain wikipedia contributors have completely changed the Corcoran disambiguation page and strayed from the original author's outline. Although Corcoran today is both a forename or given name and a surname, it was originally a forename; hence it's description of a particular person. Furthermore, the information in the Corcoran page is currently inaccurate and the sources do not match what is presented. Please, feel free to check them yourselves. Also, someone deleted categories and the original authors sources. Please check history. These acts go against everything Wikipedia stands for. 69.253.39.132 02:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, these 'acts' do not. In wikipedia no one owns articles even the original author.--Chuck Sirloin 17:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

British

Srcoll down to Corcoran. This is a source stating Corcoran is of Bristish origin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.253.39.132 (talk) 15:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Right, it is a source, but not a verifiable one because it just posts facts and no way to verify those facts. The site lists no references at all. I could make a website that says the moon is made of cheese, but that does not mean it is verifiable. That is the reason I removed that reference in the first place. --Chuck Sirloin 17:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Removal of non sourced material

I am going to remove a section that clearly does not have any sources (that I could find online or in the references stated). The only online sources turned out to be mirror pages trying to advertise coat of arms items. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.39.132 (talk • contribs)

I am not sure which section to which you are referring, but all that is left in the article are things that are sourced by books (along with a line or two that need citations, which I have no problem if people want to take them out pending cites.) --Chuck Sirloin 17:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Cochrane

The Irish surname Corcoran is not the same surname as the British Cochrane. They do not have the same origin and really have nothing to do with each other. Other than starting with C and being two syllables. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scotlandforeverlad (talk • contribs) 17:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

I don't think the article implies that cochrane comes form corcoran does it? --Chuck Sirloin 19:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. What I am saying is that Cochrane is older than Corcoran. When the English (this was before the Act of Union) were attempting to anglicize the native Irish, they would take a surname like MacCorcoran or O'Corcrain and change it to something more Anglo-Saxon. Due to the phonetic similarities between these names and the Scottish name Cochrane the name became Corcoran.

Yet, while Corcoran in Ireland or Britain can either be a Catholic or Protestant name, in Ireland (atleast) the Scottish surname Cochrane remains almost exclusively a culturally Protestant surname.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Scotlandforeverlad (talk • contribs)

So you are saying that Corcoran comes from the British changing the Scottish name Cochrane to Corcoran? Do you have any sources to back this up? (Oh, and sign your posts by typing ~~~~ instead of just writing your user name) --Chuck Sirloin 16:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

God no. I am saying the English (not yet British, British applies to us collectively) changed O'Corcrain to Corcoran. Cochrane has not connection to Corcoran whatsoever. Cochrane is a Scottish name. Corcoran is Irish.

Background

Hi can anyone tell me why there isn't any background info on this irish surname? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.239.70.13 (talk) 15:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge

This article was merged with Corcoran.If an administrator has any objections please let me know.I merged the articles because there was no need to have two articles on the same surname.Sheodred (talk) 14:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I separated the two into two separate pages instead. Disambig pages should not be merged with content pages. The talk page discussions however were copied here. -- œ^™ 06:18, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

No the disambiguation came about as a result of an edit conflict which has since then been resolved.Sheodred (talk) 10:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)