Talk:Daniel Kawczynski

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography: Politics and Government

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Politics of the United Kingdom Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Politics of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Politics of the United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomPolitics of the United Kingdom articles

Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

More information:
/
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

England Low‑importance

	England portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnglandWikipedia:WikiProject EnglandTemplate:WikiProject EnglandEngland-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Conservatism Low‑importance

	Conservatism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Conservatism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of conservatism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ConservatismWikipedia:WikiProject ConservatismTemplate:WikiProject ConservatismConservatism articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Poland Low‑importance

	Poland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Poland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Poland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PolandWikipedia:WikiProject PolandTemplate:WikiProject PolandPoland articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Shropshire Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Shropshire, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Shropshire on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ShropshireWikipedia:WikiProject ShropshireTemplate:WikiProject ShropshireShropshire articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Place of Birth

[1] says he was born in Warsaw. This seems unlikely. --Henrygb 16:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Term for someone who supports the Labour Party

Labourite - first time I've ever seen this being used to describe a Labour person.--Calverly 22:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have only known this word used in informal conversation, never in print.Cloptonson (talk) 18:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rephrase Needed

"After graduation and a year unemployed, working in a bar, Kawczynski worked in the business entertainment industry before he became an international account manager in the telecommunications industry, a position he held for ten years."

I think this needs a more careful rephrase, perhaps breaking up into more than one sentence. The phrase "and a year unemployed, working in a bar," could easily be misconstrued as meaning he was concurrently registered unemployed and working in a bar - a potentially defamatory implication to Mr Kawczynski, unless he was declaring this work to the unemployment benefit authorities. If the unemployment period and working in the bar was consecutive, that ought to be made clearer.Cloptonson (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since the original source doesn't mention Kawczynski either working in a bar or being unemployed, its easiest to drop that bit altogether. Can't find any other obvious source and I doubt a brief period of unemployment or bar work was a hugely important formative experience for his career anyway, Dtellett (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Attendance

A note to the IP user who keeps inserting a phrase beginning "Media have praised him for a very high attendance of debates during the 2010-2015 Parliament"

The supposed "praise" consists of the following section in a local newspaper.

Paterson’s opponents will no doubt point to the current seat holder’s record of voting in Parliament, which has seen him take part in eight debates in the last year, and participate in 50.5 per cent of votes in Parliament – well below the average of all MPs.

By comparison, his neighbour Daniel Kawczynski has attended 29 debates and voted on 80.4 per cent of issues.

This is clearly singling out a different MP for criticism rather than Kawczynski for praise; the article does not comment on his attendance at all except to contrast it with a "well below average" MP.

Secondly, this source has clumsily misinterpreted They Work for You statistics (the figure actually refers to how many debates Kawczynski has *spoken* in) and so its claims are not even strictly accurate.

Thirdly, TheyWorkforYou suggests that Kawczynski's figure for debate participation is "average" amongst MPs, not "very high".

Discussions on other politicians' articles have tended to conclude that debate attendance statistics are not appropriate for Wikipedia biographies, particularly not when they merely reveal that a polician is "average" or "above average". The claim about Kawczynski's notably low attendance of Select Committee meetings, on the other hand, was originally a national news story highlighting him as the worst attendee of 220 select committee members; that's noteworthy. Including his explanation for the figures satisfies Wikipedia's NPOV policy; cherry picking other statistics which show him in a less negative light is not appropriate for an encyclopedia, especially when the wording misrepresents the content of the source in order to portray the subject in a better light. Dtellett (talk) 17:16, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My edit was again promptly reverted by an IP editor, who claims to be a different editor from the other IP editor making similar edits within six minutes...

Still, latest version is less strictly inaccurate but still misleading, and at least this IP hasn't speculated about my first name yet.

I'm throwing this one open for comment rather than pursuing the edit war.

17:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Is the 2010-2015 Parliament debate attendance statistic and associated wording appropriate ?

See above for context, and for those of you not in the UK, remember there's an election campaign going on here :-) Dtellett (talk) 17:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kawczynski came to England as a six-year-old with his Polish mother and his stepfather

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2469411/Tory-MP-Daniel-Kawczynski-tells-legged-drug-addict-Get-job-Its-hard-Ive-struggled-too.html Xx236 (talk) 10:17, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral tone for subheading

In June 2021 the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards found that Kawczynski had acted in an intimidatory and threatening manner towards House of Commons staff and that he had "abused his power as a Member of Parliament by making exaggerated and malicious claims". That is true and not in dispute.

I feel though that a more neutral subheading, rather than "Abuse of power as a Member of Parliament", is "Conduct towards House of Commons staff". As well as being more neutral, the section in the article is not just about his abuse of power by making exaggerated and malicious claims, but about his overall conduct when he had acted in an intimidatory and threatening manner after he had drunk a signifcant amount of alcohol.

As per WP:CRIT, Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons requires exercising special care in presenting negative viewpoints about living persons. I have therefore changed the subheading for a more neutral encylopedic tone tonight. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I fully support your change. Govindaharihari (talk) 23:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SPA edits needing attention

Special:Contributions/James5390 has removed well-sourced negative information about Kawczynski being invesigated about making inappropriate comments [2] (look closely) and also added unsourced information about how he has "supported various local initiatives during his tenure as MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham" [3]. These were only changes some of the changes made though and they all need reviewing closely. SmartSE (talk) 19:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, this also involved removing the 2013 "get a job" information and also removing the information about him having consumed a considerable quantity of alcohol on the day he bullied commons staff. SmartSE (talk) 19:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Omissions

2009 police raid on his office: [4] [5]

Info related to Libya: [6] (this is SPS, but reliable per Brian Whitaker) [7]

Non-attendance at committees: [8] - previously removed by IP here. That source also mentions coverage in The Times

-- SmartSE (talk) 10:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re his Gaddafi book, I removed "largely culled from the internet" here, as it was unsourced. But that article by Whitaker looks acceptable. I'm not sure it should really be in "Personal life", though. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:16, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it should probably be in a separate section on Libya. There's also this about an anti-Qatar conference. SmartSE (talk) 10:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tallest MP

In 2005 the BBC said here that Kawczynski was the "tallest ever MP" at "six feet eight and a half inches (204.5cm) which he says makes him officially a giant." Is he still the tallest ever? But more importantly, LBC says here "... 6ft 9 Dan Kawczynski.." Which is correct? Has he really grown half an inch in the past 18 years? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Western Sahara

Kawczynski is in the latest Private Eye ( today is 25th June 2024 ) and seems to be angry that his work furthering the Moroccan invasion of Western Sahara has been queried. Trouble is the article is behind a paywall. Anyone got a Private Eye subscription so as to use the URL?

🤔🤔 2407:7000:9BFF:BD40:4427:DC23:661E:6414 (talk) 09:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Private Eye is mainly print only, but that doesn't mean it can't be cited: See WP:SOURCEACCESS and WP:OFFLINE. A title, date and page number are sufficient. SmartSE (talk) 11:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]