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We need not cover up Steven Reed's prayer service

The consensus is that the addition is undue weight so should be removed.
Cunard (talk) 09:28, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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We need not cover up Steven Reed's prayer service, for it is not related to being a newspaper and is a historic encyclopedic fact.JoeScarce (talk) 19:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeScarce: Could you please talk a moment to re-phrase your comment. Editors reading your comment are not likely to understand your point. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are making a very poor argument. He is Montgomery's first African American mayor, and that is why it is historic for him to a attend a prayer service in this church, which led the Montgomery bus boycott.JoeScarce (talk) 20:20, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Steven Reed's decision to visit the Dexter Avenue Baptist Church is notable to Steven Reed, not to this church, and being the first black mayor does not magically make every place he steps a notable event. In other words, this is not on par with MLK or Rosa Parks visiting the Holt Street Baptist Church. Please allow other editors to comment before reverting this edit again. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is very notable to this church, as it builds on its civil rights legacy. Please stop making excuses for vandalizing this page with your non-NPOV editing.JoeScarce (talk) 21:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Does this guy have a Wikipedia biography? Cause being first of group x to hold y job ceased to be important a long time ago. I agree, it is far more important to the dude than the church. John from Idegon (talk) 21:28, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He sure does Steven Reed (mayor). Your argument is very poor. It is perhaps even more important to the church, as it builds on its civil rights legacy. A statement like "being first of group x to hold y job ceased to be important a long time ago" is also gibberish that is hard to understand. When did it "cease to be important a long time ago" by chance? You don't even know it was not a team effort. You couldn't even accept my sex abuse edits to Diocese of Kalamazoo which were backed by sources. Names of some of the accused are also in at least one of the Archdiocese of Detroit article I more recently added [1]. You're no different on this article than when you accused me of "trolling." JoeScarce (talk) 21:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - WP:NOTNEWS. Not even gonna bother. Come back when you've got 10-15 years worth of secondary sources that illustrate the importance of this guy's visit here. This is an article on a historical structure. Having historic sources is necessary. Encyclopedia's take a long view. John from Idegon (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are very funny. I already stated this "not related to being a newspaper." It belongs like many other recent edits which get inserted on Wikipedia.JoeScarce (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - We don't include mentions of where George Washington once prayed, and we aren't going to include one here where this mayor prayed. These are considered routine events that usually have no notability. Something significant would have to happen which involves the church itself rather than the person praying in it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

George Washington did not pray at a church known for significant civil rights participation with the Montgomery bus boycott. Steven Reed is Montgomery's first black mayor, which makes it more relevant than including George Washington's site of prayer.JoeScarce (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:RECENTISM. Although I am sure that this was a wonderful event for the new mayor, it is trivial in the context of the history of a church that goes back to the 19th century. As for "it builds on the church's civil rights legacy", that is original research unless reliable sources make that argument. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:38, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That history is not relevant to my edit. Even when I was in school, we were taught about its role in the boycott.JoeScarce (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support The addition was unfortunately pretty poorly worded. I absolutely support adding this to the encyclopaedia. Being the first black mayor of any southern United States city is very important given that region's history, and the fact a publicised prayer service took place in the church the morning he was sworn in is a pretty big deal, and something I would expect to see in the article if it were improved to good article or featured article status. SportingFlyer T·C 09:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this trivia. Reed is important, and his election a landmark, but we're not going to include his name in every church he prayed in, every supermarkets where he shopped, or every breed of dog he petted. Guy (help!) 10:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of course not. But I have no idea why we can't include the fact the church played a part in the landmark election. The addition to the page was poorly worded and should be reformed to make clear he prayed there shortly before being sworn in. SportingFlyer T·C 11:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I did not include "every church he prayed in, every supermarkets where he shopped, or every breed of dog he petted" in this article. This church of historic significance, especially with civil rights.JoeScarce (talk) 21:11, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The source has a passing mention to the church, and also includes a college where the mayor preformed the Morehouse College Hymn. Both were done before the swearing in, and both are routine events. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Read article better. It was the Morehouse College choir who performed.[2] Even the article you cited notes that the school is also based in Georgia and not Montgomery.JoeScarce (talk) 20:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey JoeScarce, you've make 1,489 edits, your talk page is filled with warnings, and you've been blocked twice. Now you bring your barely-comprehensible incivility to an otherwise polite discussion. If your ego has been bruised because so many editors have disagreed with you, then try harder next time, or find some other hobby. Just don't be rude. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support If this is a close call, which I think it is, then I would lean toward inclusion for the sake of all the African Americans who have a right to celebrate this event where the first African-American mayor connects with the racial history of the town. There's enough of history of the church here to include this historic news in the article on the church. Jzsj (talk) 08:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose- (Summoned by bot) This is trivial and does not warrant inclusion. Meatsgains^(talk) 01:57, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.