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Requested move 12 June 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Dina (disambiguation)DinaDina is just a redirect to Dina (disambiguation). No incoming links Special:WhatLinksHere/Dina showing some special meanings. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 07:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the all-time monthly page views for Dina and the hatnote destination. This new redirect also obscured the WikiNav results for Dina, which now only redirect to those for the old hatnote destination. Those show a small amount of clicks to the Chilean historical secret police and then the Mexican bus manufacturer.
Based on this, it's not clear why we should be adding another click to see the biographies, as most of the time the ratio of the traffic that landed at Dina and the traffic that went for the navigation aid is usually like 10 : 1, though most recently it's been a bit smaller, so maybe there's something to ponder.
Here are the actual clickstreams from Dina from the archive so we get a better view:
Some recent Dina clickstreams

From the meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archive:

clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:
  • Dina Dinah link 54
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 46
  • Dina Jophiel link 37
  • Dina Constantina link 28
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 25
  • Dina Dina_Ali_Lasloom link 23
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 22
  • Dina Jacob link 20
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 18
  • Dina Dina_Eastwood link 13
  • Dina Princess_Dina_Mired_of_Jordan link 12
  • Dina Dina_Wadia link 10
  • Dina Dina_Asher-Smith link 10
  • total: 318 to 13 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2022-05.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 65
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 36
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 23
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 15
  • Dina Deena link 11
  • total: 150 to 5 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-07.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 47
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 21
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 15
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 15
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 12
  • Dina Dina_(belly_dancer) link 11
  • Dina Dina_Mired link 10
  • total: 131 to 7 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 46
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 23
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 23
  • Dina Deena link 16
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 14
  • Dina Dina_Asher-Smith link 13
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 12
  • Dina Dina_Mired link 11
  • Dina Dina_Eastwood link 11
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte link 11
  • Dina Dina_Doron link 10
  • Dina Dina_Bélanger link 10
  • total: 200 to 12 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 39
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 31
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 25
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 14
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 13
  • Dina Dina_Meyer link 11
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte link 11
  • Dina Dina_Averina link 10
  • Dina Dina_Asher-Smith link 10
  • total: 164 to 9 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 47
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 19
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 17
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 15
  • Dina Dina_Mired link 15
  • Dina Dina_Doron link 13
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte link 13
  • Dina Dina_Asher-Smith link 12
  • Dina Dina_Ali_Lasloom link 11
  • total: 162 to 9 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 43
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte link 26
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 21
  • Dina Dina_Mired link 18
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 16
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 16
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 15
  • Dina Deena link 11
  • total: 166 to 8 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 58
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 25
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 19
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 15
  • Dina Dina_Mired link 14
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte link 14
  • Dina Deena link 13
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 11
  • Dina Dina_Babbitt link 11
  • Dina Dina_Asher-Smith link 11
  • Dina Dina_Averina link 10
  • total: 201 to 11 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 49
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 33
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 32
  • Dina Dina_Miftakhutdynova link 17
  • Dina Dina_Averina link 16
  • Dina Dina_Mired link 15
  • Dina Dina_Lévi-Strauss link 15
  • Dina Deena link 14
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 13
  • Dina Dina_Meyer link 13
  • Dina Dina_Doron link 13
  • Dina Dina_(belly_dancer) link 13
  • Dina Dina_Ali_Lasloom link 12
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 12
  • Dina Dina_Porat link 10
  • Dina Dina_Lohan link 10
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte link 10
  • Dina Dina_Asher-Smith link 10
  • total: 307 to 18 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 48
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 19
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 19
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 14
  • Dina Dinah other 13
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 12
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte link 10
  • total: 135 to 7 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 43
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) link 25
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 18
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 18
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid link 14
  • Dina Dinah_Washington link 13
  • Dina Deena link 12
  • Dina Diwan_Dina_Nath link 10
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte link 10
  • total: 163 to 9 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) other 51
  • Dina Dinah_(disambiguation) other 25
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) other 18
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional other 14
  • Dina Deena other 12
  • Dina Dinah_Washington other 11
  • Dina Dina_bint_Abdul-Hamid other 11
  • Dina Dina_Boluarte other 10
  • total: 152 to 8 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:
  • Dina Dina_(disambiguation) link 45
  • Dina Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 16
  • Dina Dina_(belly_dancer) link 10
  • Dina Dena_(given_name) link 10
  • total: 81 to 4 identified destinations
Some recent Dina (disambiguation) clickstreams

From the meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archive:

clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 50
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 29
  • total: 79 to 2 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2022-05.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 41
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 16
  • total: 57 to 2 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-07.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 30
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 14
  • total: 44 to 2 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 20
  • total: 20 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 39
  • total: 39 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 23
  • total: 23 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 22
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 12
  • total: 34 to 2 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 22
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 13
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dina_(surname) link 10
  • total: 45 to 3 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 20
  • total: 20 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 37
  • total: 37 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 14
  • total: 14 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional other 21
  • total: 21 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:
  • Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 21
  • Dina_(disambiguation) DINA_S.A. link 10
  • total: 31 to 2 identified destinations
So, we can see that readers consistently used the hatnote to access the article about the Chilean secret police, which is DINA. However, the volume there just isn't huge compared to other clicks, and indicated merely a need to add the Chilean article into the hatnote.
Thinking a bit about that DINA vs Dina issue, there is usually some overlap in traffic for uppercase/lowercase, but WP:DABCOMBINE is just a guideline, not a policy that would have to be strictly observed. DINA had previously been merged into Dina with this 2016 edit. Maybe that should have been reverted and the two lists kept separate.
Let's have a look at overall traffic for all articles named Dina:
Here we can see that Dina Meyer gets 1.5k views/day, Dina Eastwood almost 1.5k views/day, Dina Merrill almost 1k views/day, etc.
At the same time, DINA agency gets ~0.1k views/day, and the bus maker gets ~0.05k views/day.
For comparison, Dina Pugliese is the article from the list of biographies that has comparable traffic to the Chilean agency, and it's at #14 if I counted right.[2] I absolutely sympathize with the idea that a topic of clear long-term significance should get preference over topics of lesser significance, but if even a random morning TV personality has comparable usage, and then there's 13 more topics with much much more readership ahead of that, then the reader interest just isn't there, and we shouldn't try to manufacture it. An encyclopedia describes, it does not prescribe.
So, this change was apparently a bad idea, because we're now prioritizing navigation to minor topics where the overall readership of Dina topics is clearly on the side of people named Dina, but we're hiding those behind yet another extra click. For the average English reader, the word "Dina" is most likely a reference to people named that way, not a reference to the DINA acronym, and navigation should be organized with that in mind.
Rather than doing this, we should be thinking how to best organize the list of people named Dina so that we don't bury the lede, so that readers most quickly navigate where the most interest actually lies, which is one of the points of WP:D. This bold move should have just been reverted. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 08:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.