Talk:Door

Proposed merger of Door safety into this article

I'd like to propose merging door safety into this article. Although that article may have some valid information, it's extremely specific and minute and would make more sense in a broader article.Skrelk (talk) 05:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

History

Is I Kings considered an acceptable historical source for Wikipedia? Are there any rules about using the Bible as a source on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.120.150 (talk) 00:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Sliding Doors

I'd be interested to see the history of the sliding door. Did this technology originate in Japan?

Security doors

This articles does not mention anything about security door or reinforced doors. Blast-proof doors, nuclear-blast proof doors, etc.

What about Automobile (Car) Doors?

Well, what about car doors?

E.g. (currently, at least) Suicide door. --SportWagon

Hmm. Beginning to see. There is a Category 'Car doors' but not an article.

--SportWagon 21:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, you do say vehicles. I'm still wondering how easy it is for a peruser to segue from this article to Category 'Car doors'.

Would it be appropriate to add that link and others after vehicle, or in See Also?

--SportWagon 21:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Doors are Fun

There is a whole industry based around doors and door security, ie how to close a door and keep it closed, and how to allow access for select people.

There is a wide range of door closers which can be attatched to the door surface or even incorporated into the hinges and or pivots. This technology uses the wall to lever the door closed.

Latches, deadbolts, anti tamper plates and slide bolts can all keep a door securely locked. An electro-magnetic plate lock or a solenoid type dropbolt or electric strike can be used in conjunction with swipe cards, keyfob and prox card readers to allow secured access to a select few users.

Automatic doors are fun aswell. The Wooden, Glass or Aluminium joinery and glass doors are top hung from braketed wheels on a track and opened and closed by a small motor. In most countries they are required by law to open and stay open in the event of a fire or mains power failure which requires a back up battery. They also are required to have infra red 'safety beams' in the door opening to prevent the doors from closing on an obstruction eg a person. Autodoor sensors use the doppler effect of radar to sense an object approaching the doors.

While automatic doors and electronic security originated in America and Japan in the 70's, mechanical door control technology has been around since world war I. Most people only notice doors if they're broken. When is a door not a door? When it's ajar. Haha. 60.234.108.142 05:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

More coffee? 😄 – AndyFielding (talk) 12:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Another Door Question

What about the double doors that have a large 2x4 running across the inside for security reasons? example, in a medieval castle. any ideas on what those are called? what's the 2x4 called? --Yakwhacker 01:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I actually had the same question when I first read this article, and given the homophony/second meanings of modern english, it's very difficult to find out. The "2x4" (actually usually a large post made of timber) can be called a bolt, or a crossbar. The asian logograph for this object is "閂" which is sort of fitting (and less ambiguous than English) since the large part of the character is "gate". Here's a site with a nice diagram of what you were talking about (though all the parts are labeled in Japanese) [1]. Maybe if I have time later, I'll add this to the article. -Nakamura2828 14:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

In films, they're almost always temporary. – AndyFielding (talk) 12:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hooray for redundancy

I'm sorry, but i can't help but laugh at this sentance: "Doors are nearly universal in structures of all kinds (especially houses and other buildings)." It makes perfect sense, but sounds rather redundant. After all, the word "structures" almost always refers to buildings, even if it can mean vehicles, etc. Agkeene 08:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

There are actually many types of structures with doors that can't be called "houses" or "buildings". Vehicles, portable restrooms, electrical panels, bomb shelters, bird houses… Need I go on? – AndyFielding (talk) 12:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Concave Insert

What is the insert before the door called?

What's the little concave, hollowed out insert before you come to the door (which can be seen below)?

An alcove? An entrance alcove? I think it's a feature to protect you from the elements while you fumble for your keys...

Whoever lives there may have a servant waiting to open the door for them, though. – AndyFielding (talk) 12:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

the doors

lol, i dont think many would search "door" for the band the doors. --fs 00:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The image

What a splendidly tasteful portal we have displayed! My word! -- Chris 18:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Why is a standard door in UK and Australia (in Imperial measure) 6'8" * 2'8". What is the derivation of these sizes? 124.179.44.13 (talk) 03:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)jbl

When was the door invented?

I've been thinkin about the 1800s and 1900s and I want to know when the door was invented. Does anybody know? That could be cool information...for dorks like me =) 76.183.211.196 (talk) 06:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

A specific date would be impossible. The modern hinged and framed door is a pretty ancient concept. As the history section says:

The earliest records are those represented in the paintings of the Egyptian tombs, in which they are shown as single or double doors, each in a single piece of wood.

That would mean at least several thousand years BC. It depends how you define a door; you have to consider that, long before then, humans would have made an effort to conceal or close the entrance to their shelter. The earliest human settlements date back at least 10,000 years and I can imagine even earlier hunter-gatherers might have used doors for storage areas, if not actual dwellings. --mikaul^talk 08:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand doors started appearing shortly after the custom began of visiting people's homes to try to interest them in religions. Doors were then invented so they could be closed once you found out what these people wanted. After all, it can be disturbing when grown people appear at your house to tell you about their invisible friends in the sky. I often wonder if they're dangerous, personally. – AndyFielding (talk) 13:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

What is this "fridge rule"??

"The fridge rule applies (You can't stand in a fridge because the door always opens towards you)"

No it doesn't! Fridge doors open out because there is no room for it to open into the fridge! You Australians must have some weird fridges! 74.135.3.26 (talk) 04:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I am surprised in the second parragraph there is no mention a 'door' is a passage thru a wall for HUMANS. IT says ventilation and light, but not people. Geno8327 (talk) 13:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the lead is poorly written. - TreboniusArtorius (talk) 15:56, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

That also seems too specific. All sorts of things travel through doors: pets, zoo animals, cattle and other food animals, parts on assembly lines, mechanical figures on clocks, food being used not just in fridges but ovens and other appliances, doors on cabinets and other storage compartments, mailboxes, skylights… – AndyFielding (talk) 12:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

"Door" as a error in Wikipedia's external references

Editors ought to be aware of a translation failure that occurs frequently in Wikipedia. In many articles the original writing was in Dutch, and an external reference to "Xxx Boek, door James Jones" gets rendered into English as "Xxx Book, Door James Jones". The Dutch word "door" means "by" and has nothing at all to do with doors or with a person named Door James Jones. Whenever one of these errors appears, there is usually a corresponding error in the link itself, where the language for the target reference (such as books.google.com) is specified as "=nl" instead of "=en".

There is likely some other place in Wikipedia for editing mavens where this info actually belongs, but I'm too lazy to hunt it up. Feel free to assist me. Snezzy (talk) 10:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

See also

The "See also" section contains numerous links of no obvious relevance. Does anybody object if I pare it down? Biscuittin (talk) 09:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The Image

Is the date right for the image in Kashran, Iran. 20th Century AD seems a little new for a 'old door'.

The Image

Is the date right for the image in Kashran, Iran. 20th Century AD seems a little new for a 'old door'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetie candykim (talk • contribs) 22:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Door mechanisms section needs work

Several of the entries under Types of mechanism (which is itself a poor heading) could use considerable editing for grammar and clarity. I did a bit of cleanup, but time constraints preclude more. If nothing else, an expert should take a look at the selfbolting door entry -- I can't make heads or tails of it, and I wasn't about to try to fix it as I know nearly nothing about the subject. –The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 20:09, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Definition and or name given to the space that exists between the Floor and the door. Does this space have a name or is it classed as a void? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.129.90 (talk) 02:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I was hoping to see different applications for hanging a door; perhaps some of the hardware available. This information would show how the process has evolved over the years. Jt2011 (talk) 18:31, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

DEFINITION

I am surprised in the second paragraph there is no mention a 'door' is a passage thru a wall for HUMANS. It says ventilation and light, but not people. Geno8327 (talk) 13:43, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Door

From a logical and philosophical point of view, a door is an entrance: the space that a tangible object, usually a walking animal, person or vehicle uses to access the inside of - or even to exit from - an enclosed structure. For that reason, ruins and caves have doorways. The concept of doorway, being born of the idea of a door, means the door pre-exists and precedes the structure on hinges used to cover up the space, to prevent exit or entry of restricted, bulky objects. Larger closed off-areas, like farms, stadia and public parks have 'gates' as designated entry-points; which can be generalised as doors. For argument's sake, the gate-keeper's job is not to keep the 'swinging gates' closed, but rather to control and restrict passage of sojourners into and out of the enclosure. The structure he employs is a 'temporary wall', for which we must find a name, because the name 'gate' really denotes the 'move-through' space he monitors.

From a construction point of view, a building will have door- and window-spaces, even before a determination is made of what material - wood, metal, canvas or any other - will be supplied to 'close' them. So that, the idea of a door is the 'foot-level' space provided for entrace to and exit from any enclosed structure. When this space is closed up, the structure - momentarily - ceases to have a door, yet it might not matter that concrete or wood-panelling is used for closing it up. The temporary nature - and usually the differentiated materia - of the 'wall' enclosing the dooorway makes it certain to every user who is familiarised with the structure that the door is located at that point. The instance of 'no through way' where an existing 'door' is shuttered further affirms the fact that the door is the aperture, not the shutter.

When we say, close the door, or even open the door, for all intents and purposes, we mean to instruct someone else to cover up the open space. Infact, the imperative 'close' means the space is wide open. The order, Open! assumes that the space is covered. Now, for the sake of erasing doubt, we cannot close a swinging structure with hinges; and if we could, that alone would not 'control the atmosphere' within, because if the structure on hinges was not attached to the walls of an enclosed space, the closing would be a thoughtless waste of time. Then, the space we close or open must be the door. Further, using the phrase 'window of opportunity' might help to drive the point home sufficiently. The phrase refers to a 'breathing space', an allowance to reconsider or take steps to attain an important aim. The window of chance is the 'interval of time,' a rather spiral notion, a space between 'the now' and an important cut-off date in the near future, just like the real window, a space between one wall-end, and another, useful for allowing in light and air to a room. The door is a similar space in the wall.

The wall-replacing structures we fill these spaces with may, over time and acquiring the persuasive force of common usage, have been compelled to bear the tag doors, yet they must really have their own names. Finally, here is one example of how Bible translators have employed the word 'door': Luke 13:24 ESV “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."

195.202.76.4 (talk) 08:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I am a little confused -- if there is exterior on one side of the door and an interior space on the other, what would you consider the space contained within the frame of the door itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.54.192.165 (talk) 02:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Swing Direction

'The wording in this section implies that a door is called Left Handed or Right Handed because the hinges are mounted on the left or right side (respectively). The actuality is slightly but notably different: the term comes from the hand that you use to open the door. For example, a LH/LHR door has the knob on the right side so your right hand operates the key and your left hand operates the knob (thus swinging the door with the indicated hand). I know this for sure but I don't want to add it until I can find a source... which could take a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahp378 (talk • contribs) 05:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Misuse of sources

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I searched the page history, and found 4 edits by Jagged 85 (for example, see this edits). Tobby72 (talk) 17:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Doors in the Americas

Does anyone know anything about the history of doors in Pre-Colombian America? I'm really curious now!72.67.166.198 (talk) 03:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Australian doors

Australian standard door size is 820mm wide by 2040mm high. 134.178.63.3 (talk) 00:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Rotating, revolving, and butterfly doors

Under the "Rotating Doors" section there is a paragraph on "butterfly doors" which is described as a type of rotating doors with 2 wings, although maybe there is a further distinction in how they rotate, it's not clear to me. I searched on the web for a better description & found that "butterfly doors" generally refer to a certain automobile-type doors, not revolving doors. Indeed the wikipedia article on butterfly doors also refers to these automotive doors. Should the butterfly door paragraph be dropped? Are they really distinct from rotating doors? Maybe drop the paragraph and add a "See Also" link to butterfly doors? Also, isn't the correct term for these "revolving doors", not "rotating doors". I see there is a wikipedia entry on "revolving doors" which should certainly be linked to from this section. 107.204.174.25 (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Japanese Garden Door

there is no door on this foto! is this with intent?

Garden wall door, called moon gate, from the Japanese garden in Rostock.

--Theodorakis2013 (talk) 10:51, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

References

Suggestion

I suggest removing the Applications section, for a door. Speling12345 (talk) 9:55, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Evolution door

I've removed a lead image featuring the 'evolution door' as it's clearly not representative. It's now been put in the 'other' section which I guess is ok. But the editor responsible has not edited anything else on WP except about this door type - so I can't help wondering if this is self promotion. An independent reference would help. ProfDEH (talk) 13:36, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

It may seem promotional to show it, as it's a patented product. However, it is a unique type of door that deserves to be represented here, IMHO. It also seems pointless having a single photo of it closed, without one or more showing the novel way it opens. – AndyFielding (talk) 12:43, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

The Evolutiondoor is a copyrighted work of art. Your objection about showing the special type of movement is absolutely appropriate and can easily be remedied by replacing or supplementing the photo with the small gif animation. Only, I can't do that because the article "door" is protected.

Here is the link to the gif animation:https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Evolutiondoor.gif

This animation was originally (and 10 years ago) in this article, but was objected to because it was the first image on the page and seemimgly self promotion. Tothefields (talk) 14:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Selfbolting door seems extremely rare

Selfbolting door seems to be a invention of one company , rare and not significant. 88.195.209.206 (talk) 09:10, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Removed. User:Koussouros was blocked for self-promotion of this item. 49.177.202.1 (talk) 11:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

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Swing door -> double action

"A swing door has special single-action hinges" should probably be "double-action hinges"

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2023

Anvay XD (talk) 10:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

There are many place in the world where people do not put locks on their doors such as in cities in India.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2024

I read the talk on Evolutiondoor and answered it.

My suggestion would be to simply insert the small gif animation from Evolutiondoor into the article. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Evolutiondoor.gif

Can you do that or do I get permission to do it?

Thank you very much. Tothefields (talk) 14:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Animations are not helpful and simply serve to distract the reader. In fact, I removed mention of the Evolution door from the article entirely since it had no independent sourcing. - MrOllie (talk) 15:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Tothefields (talk) 17:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Last but not least, a personal note:

In your justification for deleting the Evolutiondoor chapter, you put the word invention in quotation marks. This is disrespectful and is usually only used by plagiarists and envious people. The quotation marks are intended to mean that it is not an invention at all.

As you probably don't know, obtaining a patent requires inventive step and novelty.

And the work is patented, so you are wrong in your malice. Tothefields (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I was indicating that I was paraphrasing the text I was removing, which is a standard usage for single quotes. Any 'malice' you may have detected was not actually present. MrOllie (talk) 20:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

It's okay, I think it's especially good that no malice was intended. Tothefields (talk) 21:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

What about this:_

https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/kunstmesse-art-cologne-kunst-aus-dem-kabuff-100.html Tothefields (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The Internet is full of references to Evolutiondoor.

For example, this article, which contains a graphic in which the movement of the door object can be clearly seen.

https://architizer.com/blog/practice/materials/material-lab-klemens-torggler/

Regardless, I can see that this work doesn't fit in with bland conventional doors. Tothefields (talk) 18:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Blogs are not really usable sources on Wikipedia (see WP:RS). But at any rate these indicate that this is more of an art installation than a standard construction element, so we are better off leaving it out. MrOllie (talk) 20:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The sources were just quickly googled examples. There are also sources of design and architecture books with ISBN numbers.

It is a famous work within the doors category, although not yet commercially available. The definition of the component "door" does not include a required number of objects produced or sold; after all, it is about being able to firmly close an opening in a wall, and the Evolutiondoor can do this in a particularly space-efficient and elegant way.

(no annoying rails etc.) Tothefields (talk) 21:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)