Talk:EMD SD45

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The first EMD SD45 Demonstrator #4351 was built in December 1965, not February 1965. See A. J. Kristopans EMD Serial Number Home Page http://community-1.webtv.net/ajkristopans/40SERIES/. The first EMD production SD45 was Great Northern #400 "Hustle Muscle" in May 1966. EMD Demonstrators #4352 and #4353 were built in January 1966. --207.69.139.144 12:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think that comment about crankshaft problems is wrong. I don't want to edit the article unless and until I can find the source but in general I believe the problems were with the part of the frames that hold the crankshaft main bearings which were too weak. That area was reworked by EMD on existing blocks (cycled back through the factory) and eventually the design was changed entirely. I don't recall anyone ever saying the cranks themselves were bad but then again I don't know Filmteknik (talk) 22:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Southern 3120

According to the ICC accident report this SD45 was destroyed at Leadville Jct. TN in a rear end collision on October 26, 1969. Southern train 3rd #120 hit the caboose of train 2nd #120. The caboose rode over the frame of the 3120 and cleaned everything off back to the alternator and most of the long hood, see the photo in the ICC train wreck database for Southern, 2nd 1969 wreck. A J Kristopans has this first unit traded in to EMD and rebuilt on repair order #8084. It was released on the same serial number 33597 in April 1970 as Southern 3120. Is this the 1261st SD45? --SSW9389 (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

External Links

I don't believe most trainweb.org or almost any fan sites belong here. The guidelines are very specific that exception for recognized expert is meant to be VERY limited. It is being discussed at Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard#trainweb.org_based_rail_fanning_sites_used_on_train_related_pages Graywalls (talk) 18:39, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of EMD SD45R

Redirected to this article as poor sourcing in the SD45R article precluded merger. Article contents remain in the history if editors are interested in merging anything. I will open a separate discussion regarding the EMD SD45X as I do not see a consensus regarding that in this discussion. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved from Talk:EMD SD45R

– Consolidating duplicated discussion. Klbrain (talk) 17:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ignoring all the IP socking for a moment, would we be better merging EMD SD45R to a section in this article anyway? Which would give the better and more readable articles? Andy Dingley (talk) 13:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge: This was a content fork created by one of the IP socks. I don't see any evidence of separate notability from the SD45; the sources are largely brief mentions or non-RS. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would primarily support redirect given the lack of independent notability with passing mentions in sources, and as there is already material covering the EMD SD45R is this article. However, I'm not opposed to a merge if that's what others think is best. TarnishedPath^talk 04:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge as Pi.1415926535. Mackensen (talk) 11:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support redirect or selective merge we typically include rebuilt locomotives within the articles of the original model unless there's enough to sustain a full article, which is not the case here. Most of the existing content is unsourced. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Think I should also merge the SD45X page as well? Or is that one notable on its own? That page is a stub btw. Davidng913 (talk) 02:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the article has at best one reliable source in it which has WP:SIGCOV and that it is a stub, I'd say yes. TarnishedPath^talk 06:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's an EMD SD45X? That article isn't clear what the difference is, and thus it's hard to judge the benefits of a merge. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the difference was use of a more powerful engine giving 4,200 hp vs. 3,600 hp for a regular SD45. I don't see any reason the SD45X needs its own article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All articles concerning the Southern Pacific rebuilds need to be merged. Therefore supporting the merge of SD45R into the main article. Davidng913 (talk) 16:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge of EMD SD45X into EMD SD45

This was raised in a previous discussion, but the SD45X was a very small production run of SD45s with experimental features. There doesn't appear to be any reason to keep the SD45X in its own article. One source in my library (Louis A. Marre, Diesel Locomotives: The First 50 Years) says that this was never a model in EMD's catalog. It was a run of test models that trialed various features such as different engines and trucks and some changes to the body (different fans and a switch from beveled to flat for the end of the long hood). The entire production run ended up with SP apart from one locomotive EMD kept. This appears appropriate as a subsection in the SD45 article rather than its own article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as EMD SD45X has questionable notability in it's own right and the merge target could easily accommodate any significant material without causing any sizing issues. TarnishedPath^talk 00:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as above. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]