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RM, Eastern Ukraine offensive → Northeastern Ukraine offensive, withdrawn, 3 March 2022, Talk:Eastern Ukraine campaign/Archive 1#Requested move 3 March 2022
RM, Eastern Ukraine offensive → Southearstern Ukraine offensive, no consensus, 18 March 2022,Talk:Eastern Ukraine campaign/Archive 1#Requested move 18 March 2022
RM, Eastern Ukraine offensive → Donbas offensive, no consensus, 22 April 2022, Talk:Eastern Ukraine campaign/Archive 1#Requested move 22 April 2022
RM, Eastern Ukraine offensive → Eastern Ukraine Campaign moved, 13 October 2022,Talk:Eastern Ukraine campaign#Requested move 13 October 2022

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Horlivka offensive

Did anything actually come of that? The article got redirected, and I can't find much about it online. I've been considering whether it should even be mentioned in this article. HappyWith (talk) 15:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Post-merge of Northeastern Ukraine campaign notes

I've merged the Kharkiv material from Northeastern Ukraine campaign into this article. If I have time, I'll fix this myself later, but just to notify other editors: I copied basically all of the relevant material over in a bit of a rough and indiscriminate way, so there is a ton of trimming and copy editing that can be done to integrate the additions better into the article and remove unnecessary detail that can be covered in a child article. HappyWith (talk) 02:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Russia has captured all of bakhmut Napalm Guy (talk) 19:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 19:22, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marinka city?

In the status part of the infobox, it lists that Russia captured the cities of Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and Marinka. I understand the first two, but Marinka? Marinka is not a city but a suburb of Donetsk City. I propose removing Marinka from the list of cities taken by Russia in Eastern Ukraine. 2601:85:C100:46C0:C198:5F25:73F0:DB5D (talk) 02:22, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is officially a city, see list of cities in Ukraine. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 22:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Referring to russian push as a "breakthrough"

None of the sources in the "Russian breakthroughs and capture of Avdiivka (January 2024–present)" section actually refer to the Russian actions as a "breakthrough". IMHO using "breakthrough" here constitutes WP:SYNTH at the very least, if not full on WP:PUFFERY and should be replaced with more neutral language such as "push" or "confrontation". pinging @RopeTricks Tdmurlock (talk) 01:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's an exaggeration. "Breakthrough" is descriptive language and very logical in that context. Why do you think the Ukrainians had to retreat in a hurry from Avdiivka, leaving wounded behind? Because the "push"/"confrontation" you're advocating for was fast, hence the chaos. A fast push is a breakthrough. This isn't stretching the imagination nor synthesis gymnastics. It isn't hard to find sources using "breakthrough": [1][2][3]. One could constrain the breakthrough though to be localized to Avdiivka and not necessarily to other settlements (a major frontline breakthrough). Alexis Coutinho (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hold up. I think you are referring to using "breakthroughs" outside Avdiivka? If so, then I would agree. There were pushes/advances on other parts of the front, only Avdiivka was fast and relatively chaotic. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 15:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What happened in Avdiivka was by all intents and purposes a Russian breakthrough, anyone that monitors the war daily and understands what the term means militarily, should comprehend that. No "puffery" and no synth necessary. As for non-Avdiivka advances, I used the term for consistency purpose because of the Eastern Ukraine campaign#Russian breakthroughs (December 2022–March 2023) also used the term "breakthroughs" and no one had an issue with that one a year ago. I am now convinced by Alexis that using "breakthroughs" this early may be jumping the gun, so I'll neutralize the text with their point in mind. RopeTricks (talk) 16:43, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me also add that the Avdiivka breakthrough seems to not be only limited to the city, i.e. it still continues. This is because Russia appears to be in a "recapture spree" there as evidenced in Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War#2024. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 15:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add point

Russia launches a new offensive in the Kharkiv Oblast 2409:4063:4212:31A6:0:0:C7A:A8AD (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needs reformatting

This article is to biased, shares only the Ukrainian point of view, citing Ukraine's fake news media outlets and the Institute for the Study of War crap (which has no any credibility at all) picked up by the US propaganda machine. The English Wiki yet again shows how politicized it is become and does not bother to have this crap on its site. 78.90.149.126 (talk) 16:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, well if you think it's so biased, do you have any clear suggestions on what should be actually changed? Can you provide reliable sources that you think do not "share only the Ukrainian point of view" that we should use? Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:00, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the time being this is an ongoing conflict and it's best that this remains very limited to include only an explanation of when it started and how it started. By reading the first two paragraphs you can clearly notice the biases and in whose interests are covered especially with the casualties when both parties refrain from announcing any information but the IWS already knows the exact numbers like it's counting sheep's. The problem remains that you guys take time to write articles on ongoing matters citing think thanks and fake news media outlets with no credibility and it really bothers me that the admins don't do anything about it. I'm glad I'm not using Wikipedia at all for any kind of research or whatever. 78.90.149.126 (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Flemmish Nietzsche, as an intelligent editor in the topic area I am interested in your opinion on another matter regarding this page, which is the legitimacy of lumping together into one article what seem to be two separate military campaigns in the Donbass and near Kharkiv. The combination of these two fronts into a single "eastern Ukraine campaign", a term that really doesn't exist anywhere else, might be considered undue or original research. In my recollection, media have always considered the fighting in the Donbass and Kharkiv separately. There is no problem in my mind keeping the Donetsk and Luhansk combat together since they have frequently been referred to collectively as the Donbass, but dragging Kharkiv in seems like a stretch - especially including the events post-May 2024.

Worth noting: I am referring specifically to the events nearest to Kharkiv city, like those that are covered in Battle of Kharkiv (2022); I have no issues with including Izium-area combat here since it was frequently contextualized, correctly or incorrectly, by media as part of a Russian operation on Sloviansk and a northern bridgehead from which to advance into the Donbass. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 08:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]