Talk:Erasmus (Dune)

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Van Gogh Painting[edit]

I have moved the following here for discussion:

15,000 years later, in Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune, this Van Gogh painting is supposed to be in the hands of the Bene Gesserit sisterhood, and it's strongly implied in the Kevin J. Anderson and Brian Herbert storyline that the painting in question is actually Erasmus' fake. There is no mention of Erasmus in Frank Herbert's original series.

The version before the last changes by Audioel was:

15,000 years later, in Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune, this Van Gogh painting is supposed to be in the hands of the Bene Gesserit sisterhood, and it's strongly implied that the one they have is actually Erasmus' fake.

I find no evidence of any such implication in the Legends novels. (For example, that the original was destroyed and only Erasmus' copy survived.) If someone has an appropriate quotation, please cite it (preferably with page numbers). As Audioel pointed out, there is no mention of Erasmus in any book by Frank Herbert. It is, however, mentioned that the Van Gogh was restored and augmented with interactive features by the Ixians. SandChigger 13:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{spoiler}} Odd, but it turns out that Erasmus claims the painting as his copy when he sees it in Sheeana's chamber on the no-ship. How could the person who originally added the above have known this? --SandChigger 09:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic paragraph[edit]

It seems to me that this paragraph

At the end of The Battle Of Corrin, Gilbertus Albans, his protegè and adopted son, removed his gelsphere CPU from his body at his instruction. The gelsphere then was uploaded by a probe shot out of Giedi Prime that had contacted the last blast of information from the Omnius, and it was never discovered by humans. However if it had, the incredibly strict anti-A.I. laws that were just being put into effect at the time would have resulted in Gilbertus being put to trial and sentenced to death; among other things, the penalty for one in Gilbertus's position — ownership of an A.I. device &mdash. In addition, the likely backlash would have almost certainly destroyed the then nascent Mentat School. Erasmus returns in Hunters of Dune with Omnius as part of the pair of Daniel and Marty as a threat to all humanity. His manipulations are a large part of the book, and in the end the invasion of the Thinking Machines begins.

contains what seems to me to be an inaccuracy (bold text). In the last chapter of Hunters (on p. 518), Erasmus says to Omnius,

"During the Battle of Corrin, fanatical humns almost‐almost—annihilated the last Omnius," the robot said. "That evermind contained a complete and isolated copy of me inside itself, a data packet from the time when you once tried to destroy me. You showed great foresight."

Any thoughts? SandChigger 11:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone in New Jersey found this objectionable enough to try to delete it? Over two years later? Wow...fans of the McDune books really are slow readers, huh? LOL. --SandChigger (talk) 23:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And then someone in DC tried to do the same two months later? Instead of deleting this from the talk page, why not spend your time editing the mess on the main article page? --SandChigger (talk) 06:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

Although there are basically no images of this series, I am wondering, in the cover (and back cover) of "The Machine Crusade" there is a machine that could be Erasmus. However, I haven't read the book, so I am not sure if it is, and I was wondering if that was indeed him, so that we could use that as a main image. --Sauron18 21:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um...wouldn't that be a copyright violation? Why is an image necessary anyway? --SandChigger 08:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The humanoid machine is Erasmus. Dionyseus 06:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image should be of Erasmus then. As it is the cymek dominates the picture with a little dwarf Arasmus standing under it. I think the backcover had a better pic. 68.2.46.144 (talk) 15:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]