Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2025

Current list/table of potential hosts

I want to make sure that I'm understanding the intentions and function of the current host table and section about potential host locations before I propose changes to it, because I currently don't quite understand the criteria for inclusion.

Basel - Included in table. One source for this is a tweet from Conradin Cramer, president of Basel-Stadt local government. I don't know if it's clear from that tweet that he is referring to Basel city and not Basel-Stadt?

Bern - Not included in table. Body says "the [cantonal] council congratulated Nemo and announced its support in organising the contest in Bern". I assume this is excluded as Bern is a big enough canton that it's not clear which host city this would be?

Biel/Bienne - Not included in table. Interested in co-hosting or being involved in some manner, negotiating with the city of Bern - not enough to include in table for either Biel or Bern?

Fribourg - Not included in table. I can't understand this at all. The Eurovoix article says "The city of Fribourg is currently examining whether or not to bid to host the Eurovision Song Contest 2025", but its citation seems to be that the CEO of a hockey team has said "We are currently analysing and discussing if we could bring Eurovision 2025 to Fribourg" without making it clear who "we" are in this context. And the Eurovoix article links to a Frapp article that says "Fribourg has shown no interest in organizing the competition". But the Eurovoix article says that the local government of Fribourg said "We are asking ourselves if the city could host such an event, notably in terms of accommodation and arena sizes etc" - would this merit inclusion if it can be backed up by another source?

Hope this all makes sense, just not understanding what the table is doing right now. Toffeenix (talk) 08:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Take this with a grain of salt. To me it seems that if a potential host city is to be included in the table, they need at least have expressed that they have launched a bid. If not, it is only a sidenote about cities expressing interest, but never bidding. Marius1603 (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Marius. As in years past, we should only include official bids. "Expressed interest" (especially by random politicians and the like) is non-encyclopedic. Grk1011 (talk) 12:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Also in agreement with Marius and Grk1011. I've gone ahead and removed the table for now, given there are no confirmed bids yet. I expect there will be some news in Swiss/Eurovision media over the next few weeks about actual bids, but until then a table is not required. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Probably should remove the map as well then, which marks the few "former" cities that were on the table. Real Heydavid17 (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Israel politicising the contest again?

So there's this Proletären article, which was realesed earlier today, saying Netanyahu got involved to ensure Israel's participation in '25 and threatened to withdraw the sponsor. I stress that I have no idea if this worth adding (hence the section) nor how to add it. Plus we should also note that the news hasn't been released in other media to my knowledge so... Main question is: is it worth adding now, should we wait more sources, or just not add it at all? Yoyo360 (talk) 11:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

It's unclear in the article whether the "intervention" was around Israel's participation in 2024, which seems more likely if it is the case, or future participation in 2025. Additionally, as you rightly state, this story isn't being picked up by other media outlets as yet. I'm not 100% certain about the reliability of the source either; it appears to have quite low circulation going by its article, and appears to be a direct outlet for the Swedish Communist Party. Given all these points I would be inclined to back not including it, in either the 2024 or 2025 articles, until the story is picked up by other sources which are more researched and where there is a better understanding of reliability. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Extremely unreliable article, which doesn't give anything on how the outlet obtained the information, and the phrasing is dubious "Netanyahu must have personally called leading figures in the Eurovision organizer EBU", in addition to the outlet being managed by the Swedish Communist Party. So for the time being do not cite this article unless more reliable outlets pick this up Pdhadam (talk) 16:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough to me. I didn't know anything of the outlet (though from the logo I had guessed the political orientation). I just didn't know if it was reliable despite it. Yoyo360 (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Romania returning?

I’ve noticed a series of editors adding and removing Romania to the provisional list and to the returning countries section. There is no ref currently. What’s going on there? Colin.1678 (talk) 09:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Bulgarian decision 🇧🇬

Good evening @IceWelder, I'm taking the liberty of writing to you here because I've seen that you've withdrawn my addition concerning the decision on whether or not Bulgaria's participation in Eurovision 2025 would be taken and announced in September 2024 on the grounds that the source is a fan blog. It's true that my first source was Eurovisionfun, which is a fan blog, but they're only broadcasting information provided by the official X account of Bulgarian broadcaster BTN. As such, I think that the X post on the official BTN account has a certain reliability. I've also added as another source an article from ESCPORTUGAL, a Portuguese media outlet specialized in Eurovision and recognized by the EBU, so this time it's not just a fan blog but a fairly reliable source. 77.198.50.49 (talk) 22:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The account regularly posts misinformation to a degree that some community members are questioning whether it even is a legitimate account. A quick Google reveals a community thread with many similar opinions stemming from the X post you are referencing. At this point, I don't think we should mention it because the mere root source is unreliable. Not by itself, not via other unreliable sources. EurovisionFun is a known unreliable rumour mill; ESC Portugal, at first glance, also looks like another fan blog (and all posts are by the same person). IceWelder [✉] 06:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Andorra will not be in Eurovision 2025

ChaseTOM4YT (talk) 01:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)