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Healing Question

What is the question then ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.187.142.66 (talk) 16:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Takes

Since there is critical disagreement about the extent to which the Fisher King is actually used in the Waste Land, I have taken the liberty of modifying the entry somewhat. Glitterspont (talk) 08:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is not critical disagreement - it comes from Eliot himself. See his notes for The Waste Land: "Not only the title, but the plan and a good deal of the incidental symbolism of the poem were suggested by Miss Jessie L. Weston's book on the Grail legend: From Ritual to Romance." He later mentions the chapter on "The Fisher King" in particular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.145.42 (talk) 00:51, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine Fisher's Corbenic explicitly refers to the Fisher King so I think it should be included in this section. I also don't see why we can't include as many works as there that allude to the legend particularly if there is an explanation of how they do so (e.g. That Hideous Strength’s Wikipedia entry doesn't mention the Grail/Fisher King at all). The section was untidy and difficult to read but that would be easy to fix.Hazel75 22:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But is there chorlis hunkin for a cheesie bo? That's the real issue.Hazel75

I added the modern take from Fables as I never knew of the legend prior to reading it (and thus came here to find out more). I hope that's okay. I thought the take on it was different enough to warrant a fair block of text (and I tried hard to summarize it). I also tided up some of the formatting as the "other works" paragraph was starting to get messy. I moved the start of that to the bottom (as it works as a footnote) and moved all the items that had a reasonable description into their own paragraphs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.209.244.233 (talk) 21:54, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suggested that a TV series alluded to the FK, and had the suggestion removed for being "unsourced." 1) only one of the other suggestions for allusion are sourced in the "Modern Takes" segment, why single out mine? 2) how does one support a suggestion of allusion to a trope in any event? find critical sources that support that claim, and/or creator's notes? I think that's awfully severe, and if applied here I would expect to see the same rigor for suggestions of allusion made to the description pages of other tropes as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny Mnemonic (talk • contribs) 20:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1) If the others aren't sourced, then add a citation needed tag or remove them. Adding more unsourced claims to a section that already has problems isn't helpful. 2) Yes, the criteria for inclusion in an encyclopaedia or any other tertiary source is very severe. See WP:VERIFIABILITY. DonQuixote (talk) 20:25, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

merge proposal

I think this one is obvious, the other page is very small and repeats information found in this one. Wrad 23:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What other page are you referring to?--Cúchullain ^t/c 06:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pelles and Fisher King need to be merged, sorry. Wrad 15:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wholly disagree. The two characters are distinct from each other, regardless of their similarities. They have different sources (both Celtic, admittedly), and the proper course of action would be a rewrite of Pelles rather than a merging. --Icydesign 20:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything at Pelles that can't be treated equally well here. Pellam possibly, too. Whatever their differences it may be fruitful to have them over here to discuss the relationship more fully.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No response for a few days. What should we do? Wrad 01:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I missed your comment. Go ahead and do it, if you wish.--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Scott Rohan's Spiral sequence

There should be some mention of this sequence, in which the central character turns out to be the Fisher King himself. If someone has more ready access to the books than me (in storage…), feel free to pre-empt me. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 07:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wagner's Opera

This page makes no reference to the opera Parsifal by Richard Wagner, an opera that contains many of the characters & sacred objects mentioned here. Where would be the most appropriate place to mention this? In a new section? Under "modern interpretations"? Lapisphil (talk) 20:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ulysses

Ulysses means "wounded thigh"; are the two tales related? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4E02:9580:2177:1544:E4E9:1364 (talk) 01:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. See The Odyssey. DonQuixote (talk) 04:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

pope

This text was in the later medieval section. The reference is unclear and for this to remain in the article would need to identify which scholar's opinion this is. "He represents the Pope, or papal authority, which has been compromised by wealth, an aristocratic lifestyle and dependency for support in his office upon those who live by the code of chivalry. Accordingly, he is unable to protect families, women, cultivated land, the built infrastructure and trade from the violence of knights who live by that code and which is characterised as waste. His impotence in the face of chivalry and its endemic evils is represented by the wound in his thighs which has crippled him and confines his activities to fishing with a hook. Later versions of the story, e.g. the Didot Perceval, reject this critique and point to papal succession as the source of papal authority.^[1]" Rmhermen (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Collier, smashwords.com, 2017, ISBN 9781310181337 (epub format only)

[1] Collier, smashwords.com, 2017, ISBN 9781310181337 (epub format only)

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