Talk:Four-ball golf

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Requested move 16 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Four-ball golf → Four-ball (golf) – Incorrectly disambiguated during previous move. The correct terminology and name of the format is "four-ball", almost never "four-ball golf", so the title of the page should be disambiguated correctly as "four-ball (golf)". 51.6.161.113 (talk) 20:27, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support See the official rules https://www.randa.org/Rog/2019/Rules/The-Rules-of-Golf/Rule-23 which refers to Four-Ball not Four-Ball golf. Happy to use a lower case b for ball which is common usage I think. Nigej (talk) 20:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The previous discussion is at Talk:Four-ball billiards#Requested moves and was proposed by SMcCandlish. I seem to have closed it 5 years ago. I believe the intention was for this to be a form of natural disambiguation, not to imply that the usual term is "four-ball golf". If that is not working, then this should be moved. However, I wouldn't expect "The Rules of Golf" to specify "Four-Ball Golf" since the context is already established. Likewise Four-ball billiards is usually called "four-ball" or "fourball" when the billiards context is known. Dekimasuよ! 03:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NATURALDIS. This isn't any different from four-ball billiards and Siamese cat, both of which will be called simply "four-ball" and "Siamese" within specific-enough contexts. Four-ball golf is a natural disambiguation and thus preferable under naming policy to a parenthetical one. If even topically-reliable sources like Golf Week, AmateurGolf.com, Hawaii State Golf Association, and the Ladies' National Golf Association use the term "four-ball golf", alongside mainstream news sources like The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Patriot Ledger, and Rome Sentinel, and even organizers of four-ball golf tournaments like the Foxborough Country Club and the Devlin Foundation (all found in seconds in the first page of search results [1]), then the natural-English term is absolutely good enough for Wikipedia, and is better (under our article titles policy) than "four-ball (golf)". PS: It's perfectly fine for the lead to just start "Four-ball is ..."; most of our breed articles are written this way, since the rest of the lead sentence makes it clear that the article is about an animal breed or, in this case, a sport. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:25, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.