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On 25 June 2020, it was proposed that this article be moved from Fox Glacier, New Zealand to Fox Glacier (town). The result of the discussion was moved.

Article name

Given that the article name doesn't distinguish this article at all from Fox Glacier itself, I think the article should be renamed to Fox Glacier (town) - this would be fitting with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (New Zealand), particularly number 5. Turnagra (talk) 02:28, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The hatnotes are sufficient, ~~and the naming convention's number 5 note applies when there are more than one town in New Zealand with the same name~~.-gadfium 02:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I see the place names apply to natural features as well, so I've struck part of my comment above.-gadfium 02:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that the hatnotes are sufficient - WP:PRECISION would indicate that we should change an article when the title itself isn't specific enough, as is the case here. WP:ATDAB, while not exactly the same as in this case, would also suggest that having a title which specifies that this is about a town would be preferable. There's no point in having people come to this article only to click through to the glacier when we can clear up the ambiguity with a small change in title and ensure that readers find the article they want on the first click. Turnagra (talk) 05:21, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved ~ Amkgp 💬 05:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fox Glacier, New Zealand → Fox Glacier (town) – Moved this at the start of the year and it was justifiably undone due to me not following the right process, doing it properly this time. The current name doesn't sufficiently differentiate from Fox Glacier, which is also nearby. WP:NCNZ specifies that "If the two places are different types of place, then parentheses are used to disambiguate (for example, "Lake Tekapo" and "Lake Tekapo (town)")". Changing the article name would be consistent with other similar articles about New Zealand places, such as the aforementioned Lake Tekapo (town) and Mount Maunganui (mountain). As above, the move would also be consistent with WP:PRECISION, which states that "titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article" - something the current one does not do given the confusion with the actual glacier. Turnagra (talk) 08:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support First check - is the glacier the primary topic? Answer is that based on page views (four times as high as the town), it certainly is. Checking the proposal against what it says in WP:NCNZ, it seems far more logical to go with what is documented there (and suggested here) than leaving the existing naming in place. Assuming that this proposal will go through, I suggest that we tidy up the wording in WP:NCNZ and formalise the "general usage". Schwede 66 18:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Yeah, I'd definitely support a rewording of WP:NCNZ to reflect convention at some stage. Turnagra (talk) 07:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Note that the official name of the glacier is Fox Glacier / Te Moeka o Tuawe, and the dual name is increasingly used. So may be more appropriate to move the page for the glacier per WP:NCNZ. Paora (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I did wonder that, but I wasn't sure if the dual name was common usage enough to justify a shift to it on that article. At any rate, I think this article could still be disambiguated to include (town) as the confusion would still arise regardless of whether the glacier was named as "Fox Glacier" or "Fox Glacier / Te Moeka o Tuawe" Turnagra (talk) 07:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:PLACEDAB (Wolin example) and similar cases like Corfe Castle (village). Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 7 July 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa (talk) 23:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fox Glacier (town) → Fox Glacier, New Zealand – Previous move needs to be reverted. Towns are disambiguated as xx, New Zealand. 122.60.80.64 (talk) 23:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We have two contradictory standards in practice for towns which have the same name as geographical features. Lake Tekapo (town) and Lake Hāwea (town) use the "(town)" disambiguation, leaving Lake Tekapo and Lake Hāwea the primary names. Jacobs River, New Zealand and Little River, New Zealand use the ", New Zealand" disambiguation, with the corresponding rivers called Jacobs River (New Zealand) and Little River (New Zealand). In these latter cases, the undisambiguated term could apply to features/towns in other countries.-gadfium 00:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the reasons given the the previous request, towns are disambiguated with "(town)" when there is something else nearby which their named after. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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