Talk:Fred Newman (philosopher)

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 11:43, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

– If there is even a Primary topic, it isn't this article. 2400 page views vs. 5400, 200. Marcus Qwertyus 06:16, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support; no obvious primary topic. Powers ^T 22:42, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a publicity piece by one of Newman's cult members

There is no legitimate dispute about who and what Newman was, and the facts are grossly misportrayed in the article. A few examples:

--Newman was thrown out of the APA because of unethical conduct, in particular a pattern of having sexual relationships with "patients."

--The final paragraph says that Newman is survived by two women in an unconventional family. In reality, for the last 25 years of his life Newman lived with between three and five women at a time, occasionally replacing one with another. It seems in the endless competition for favor among them, two of those women have sought to delete the others while presenting Newman the situation as something other than what it obviously was, which is a cult leader with a harem.

--It is well-documented and well-established that while Newman et al. operated through innumerable different groups and organizations over time, appearing in different parts of the spectrum as the winds shifted, in reality there was a core group of individuals who ran each and every one with a consistent agenda. The organizations were either consciously designed as "fronts," (e.g., the New Alliance Party), or the group would try to co-opt organizations such as the Independence party that had some degree of existing mainstream acceptance. While the party line changed from day to day (what can be said about a group that aligns itself with Louis Farrakhan in the late 1980s and with Ross Perot in the 90s?) the underlying goal was consistent: to reorganize society around "group therapy" sessions run by Fred Newman.

--The inner core group was serviced by a middle-ring of devoted cult members who were used as, essentially, slaves, devoting their lives to menial tasks for the comfort for Newman and others without compensation or reward.

I could go on and one forever -- Newman's misconduct was the subject of a television documentary, several government investigations, numerous publications by former group members, and so forth.

This article was supposedly peer reviewed, but there's no record of any peer review in the wiki.

What's going on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.138.1.245 (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of the purported peer review of this wiki article: Looking at the archive and the edits to this talkpage, it appears that someone attempted to request a peer review back in 2006: [1], but it does not seem to have ever occurred as there is no evidence of it. Possibly the wrong template form was used in the request attempt. Apparently over the years bots converted that template at the top to an attempted redirect to the archive, but there's no peer review in the archive. Anyway, I will remove that misleading announcement at the top of this page. Stophorus (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Removed COI infobox after restructuring article

I restructured this article to include more criticism of Newman in a more coherent manner. In general, each section now has one "pro-Newman" and one "Newman-critical" voice. I think this has reduced the COI / NPOV concerns (which are from 2011) sufficiently to remove the infobox. SocDoneLeft (talk) 19:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]