Talk:Frome/Archive 1

Archive 1

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I'm surprised at the lack of images here, if i get time at the weekend I'll pop into town and take a few pictures. --Mercifull ^{(BattlestarWiki)} 10:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Ha, Sims!! I thought you would be the only person sad enough to chronicle the wonderful Frome in Wikipedia. lol. Ironman 02:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, someone had to do it :D --Mercifull 10:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

No mention of the famous Cheese Show? Outrageous! I will have to pop something in when I am not working. Ironman 02:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

My bad, I think it is the 'Cheese fair' comment in the final paragraph, bit disappointing for the best event in Frome, although I guess it no longer really is 'in Frome' is it?Ironman 02:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is a great description of Frome in the period up to 1980. I left the place around that time but even I know that the "metal founding" and "art metal work" of Singers closed down years ago and the cattle market is held in the middle of nowhere outside a local village. Under "historic buildings", the Blue House should at least be mentioned (is this the "Edward VI school"?) There are new industries and mass building of commuter-type housing and a few new facilities. The main feature of the town centre for me is the conversion of once thriving shopping streets into quiet "heritage" residential areas. What about the fabled Frome tunnels and the unique industrial working class 17th century suburb of Trinity. Oh and there must be some decent pubs left (of which there were once so many)

Can someone who knows the place better than me contribute an update to the antique Encyclopeadia Britannica article? - from a Fromite in exile

Reorganisation and expansion of content

I have reorganised the content of this article in line with Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements. As you will see from the guideline page there is a lot more which could be added.— Rod ^talk 21:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Further expansion and class

I've expanded it some more, and I think this article certainly justifies C class now (maybe B?) Dmvward (talk) 13:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It is certainly improved and worthy of a C. To get it to B there are several sections which lack citations eg: 2nd & 3rd paras of History, all of Geography, Transport etc. It may also be possible to move the images from the Gallery to illustrate areas of the article.— Rod ^talk 16:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Frome, Somerset/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: WTF? (talk) 22:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

This article is very well written. It's quite easy to read and the photos are very good (editors might consider nominating some of them for featured picture?). I think it's mostly meeting the six good article criteria, though there are a few issues that remain. See below:

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   A few minor copyedits and corrections, but mostly the prose is good. It also meets the guidelines in the manual of style as well as WP:UKCITIES. The sports section consists of three subsections, but does not have an introduction. Some introductory text would be good to add to connect the different sports. It might also be nice to rename this section as 'sports and recreation', and maybe have some information on parks and other recreational activities available to residents.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Mostly well-cited, and the sources appear to be reliable, though there are quite a few citations that link to the primary website of a specific organization or entity, as opposed to a more specific citation (e.g. a book, or a specific journal or newspaper article). Not as big of a deal at GA, but could be an issue when moving up to FA. The second paragraph of 'demography' has quite a few figures in it, and is completely uncited. There's also only one citation in the sports section, and the content about the rugby club appears that it might be WP:OR -- some citations would help this section.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   The article includes all of the major sections and information that you would expect it to have. There's some notable missing information, though. For one, the history section doesn't really have anything from the 20th/21st centuries, and kind of leaves you at the turn of the 19th century. The geography section should also have some information about climate as well. At the end of the 'religious sites' section, the sentence "Finally, there is a Dissenters' Cemetery with Chapel at Vallis." also kind of leaves you hanging. It might be nice to elaborate more on the Dissenters' Cemetery and how it connects to the town. In the education section, it states that there are no higher education establishments; but in the culture section, it refers to the Merlin Theatre on the Community College campus. That seems to indicate that there are higher education establishments in the town?

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Meets WP:NPOV requirements.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   The article does not show evidence of WP:3RR violations or edit-warring.

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Images are all tagged and captioned appropriately. As a matter of fact, many are of very high quality.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail: I think that the article is quite close to meeting the good article criteria. I will leave this on hold until 2/27/2010 so that the issues may be addressed. Cheers! WTF? (talk) 22:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)}}

Response Thank you for your review comments (and edits). I believe the issues identified have been addressed, except the comment about Higher Education - Frome Community College is a Comprehensive school providing education for 13-19 year olds, but Higher education is generally referred to in the UK as university education leading to degrees etc for those over 18. I have added a bit about the 20th century in history but much of this is covered in economy & other sections so would be duplication to repeat in history. I have referenced the demography figures & added climate to geography, as well as expanding and referencing the sport & leisure section & explaining the dissenters chapel. If there is anything else you feel is needed please say.— Rod ^talk 10:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow! Quite a speedy improvement! The sports and recreation section is much, much better! I think the article now meets GA criteria and can be listed. I am still a bit concerned that some of the references, primarily to sports teams and cultural sites and venues, are simply linking to the primary website (index page), as opposed to a more specific page or citation. I think it's sufficient for GA, but I suspect you could have a problem with this at FA.

Anyway, nice work! Cheers! WTF? (talk) 18:43, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Why Frome, Somerset instead of Frome?

Frome redirects to this article. There is a Frome (disambiguation) to take care of all the other uses, so why not simply rename the article to Frome? If there are no objections then I'll do just that later in the week. --Simple Bob (talk) 09:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to move to me - I think this is a historical artifact from 2006/2007.— Rod ^talk 09:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Excellent idea. Mighty Antar (talk) 20:13, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Bridges with buildings

Following a recent flurry of edits the article now says "(making it one of only three bridges in the country which support dwellings, the others being Pulteney Bridge in Bath, and one in Lincoln)" and a reference for this was requested in an edit summary. This is a little complex. Pulteney Bridge has shops on it not houses - so do we go for Bridges with buildings on them? High Bridge, Lincoln does have houses on it, but what about others eg (& these are just local ones) The Town Bridge in Bradford on Avon which has a lock up on it or Cleveland Bridge in Bath which has "lodges" on it. Also which "country" is being referred to here: England or UK?— Rod ^talk 21:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Gosh, it is a bit complicated, isn't it. And what was once built as a dwelling may be no longer. Monmouth seems to have a gatehouse, hardly a dwelling. And many others, I suspect, have structures which could certainly be called "buildings". Until we have a clear WP:RS for any particular claim, I'd suggest this description is removed. Without a source it's just WP:OR. Perhaps mention could be made instead to the bridge's status as a listed building in its own right? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

How about "one of only three bridges in England which support shops or dwellings, the others being Pulteney Bridge, Bath, and High Bridge, Lincoln"? Moonraker (talk) 23:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...the more it gets qualified, the less remarkable the claim is becoming, and one that we can't even verify. Is it really worth keeping in at all? Peteinterpol (talk) 07:11, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Elvet Bridge seems similar, but makes no particular claims? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the uncited claim in brackets.— Rod ^talk 10:57, 23 November 2011 (UTC)