Talk:Glock Ges.m.b.H./Archive 2

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Archive 2

How many models

35 models???

In the article states that Glock produces 35 models of handguns. If you count 17 through 39 that is only 23, even if you want to count the 17L as a seperate model we are at 24, where did the only 11 models come from? -- Eagle —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC).

I get 37 models: 17, 17C, 17L, 18, 18C, 19, 19C, 20, 20C, 20SF, 21, 21C, 21SF, 22, 22C, 23, 23C, 24, 24C, 25,26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 30SF, 31, 31C, 32, 32C, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, not including "variants".--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 01:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Mike - There are 22 models, plus add-ons on some (RTF, etc). 22 basic models are available. An anonymous user has replaced the reference with a note about how many caliber choices there are, which paints just as good a picture in my mind, and avoids variant problems ("C" models, RTF/RTF2, etc.). Generally I would not consider "C" models to be different, unique models. Also I see that your list includes the no-longer-produced 17L and 24/24c, which should be deleted, bringing your number down to 34. Frankly, I don't see how listing the number of models is beneficial at all. I think the line should be struck. The HK/Sig/et.al pages don't list the number of models available. I propose we either drop the confusing issue all together, or just leave it with the number of calibers, as suggest by the IP user. RegardsSrwm4 (talk) 05:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

17, 17L, 24, and 24C are back in the 2010 Catalog, FYI.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 00:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: People have found this issue confusing since October. I've removed the line, and think it should not be replaced. It adds minimal value at best, and detracts from comprehension for many. Srwm4 (talk) 05:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying, but Glock, themselves refers to the C, L, and SF versions as different models. The anonymous user started this with his personal attacks against me this morning. Fact is, I have a cited reference that says "over 2 dozen models" by a neutral third party source. Mr anonymous ip from Massachussets brings forth no sources.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 05:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I would be in favor of striking it altogether, maybe the other editor should have come to the talk page instead of throwing around brickbats from behind his or her keyboard.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 06:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure why you'd need to cite it with more than an internal link. Counting isn't that difficult, is it? :-) But I removed the line. Hopefully this will be the end of this. And hopefully you'll treat other users with more respect in the future (even when they aren't returning the favor). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srwm4 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Again, if he had been a little more civil, this could have been avoided. Treat me good, i'll treat you better; treat me bad, I'll treat you worse. :)--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 06:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's just me, but i don't see how you've earned anyone's respect here today. Srwm4 (talk) 06:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, so this has been confusing people since October 2008! I agree with Srwm4's idea to just lose the line, and put this whole episode behind us.76.24.147.114 (talk) 23:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Here's the thing, Wiki is based on reliable sources, not your opinion. I'm sure you do agree with srwm4, for obvious reasons. The fact is that the article currently has two reliable sources saying there are more than 2 dozen models. If you can find a neutral third party source that states there are only 22, bring it forward. Keep in mind this encyclopedia is not serving the citizens of the US or Springfield, Mass in partiucular, but a global audience. Which means you have to count thwe 18, 380's, etc. None of the models noted are down to personal details such as night sights or whatever else you think makes them different. In the case of some it is a shorter frame (SF) models, in the cases of others it is a ported bbl (C designation) or a longer bbl and slide (17L). Internal wikilinks are not acceptable sources. Please read up on reliable sources. Thanks and again, apologies for reading too far into what you claim was meant to be a joke. If that's honestly what you meant by it, I'll believe you and accept that story in good faith. I won't call you a fuckchop or douchebag again, sorry I used coarse languge on you.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 23:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand why you keep going back to the G17L which was (along with the G24) discontinued upon the introduction of the G34/G35 years ago. And I was counting the G18, if I wasn't clear. I was just saying that of the 22 models that exist, only 19 area available for sale in the US, of which I personally own 17. The 22 number is including the G18, G25, and G28. I have gone through the factory armorer course, and the instructor himself used "22" as the number of current models, saying that the rest were just variations. When I re-certify next year, I'll be sure to get it in writing for you. :-) 76.24.147.114 (talk) 00:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, get it in writing, if you can about there being only 22 models; hell if you want to go that route you could say there's only 3 models Full size, compact, and sub compact, they just shoot different calibers. Then you could say there's just one available in 3 basic sizes and 7 calibers, or whatever it is. I am sure someone said that, but company literature and everything I've seen in print refer to the others as models.(I'm not talking color or sights, but SF, L and C only; if you're an armorer, think about manufacturing and fitting those pieces.) Check out the 2010 Annual if you don't believe me on the 17L, 24, etc.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 01:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I count 24 on glocks website [1] but they are not all currently produced. Strike it without a good source. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 22:09, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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