Talk:Great Migrations (Greyhawk)

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Suel clans

I'm familiar with the Schnai, Cruskii, & Fruztii, but what was the 4th clan mentioned in the entry? Not the Zeai--they moved to the Tusking Strand after the migrations & were part of the Cruskii, iirc.-Robbstrd 17:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Check out page 8 of the Guide, just opposite the timeline. "To the far north, four of the strongest and fiercest clans managed to retain large stretches of land as Suloise." This is either a well-entrenched Gygax mistake, or a hint that there is a "missing" Suel tribe that ended up in the northern Flanaess. It's not the Coltens, as they were Flan. Any idea which way to go on this? --Iquander 23:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Since the racial mixture of Stonehold is "FS," I wonder if EGG meant that to be the 4th clan? I don't have the Guide in front of me so I can't give a fully informed opinion, however. Where did clan #4 come from? Did they split off from the three "Houses of Pursuit"? Did they come after? Before? Perhaps the 4th clan formed sometime after the Ice, Snow, & Frost Clans arrived on the Thillronian--I like the idea of an entire clan made up of exiles, criminals, & other vagrants, initially forced to live in the lands of the Coltens, eventually growing strong enough to become a power in their own right. By the time of Vlek Col Vlekzed, this renegade Suel "clan" has been conquered and enslaved by the Coltens, making Vlek's takeover of the land all the easier, the renegade Suel clan seeing him as a liberator. However, such details being mere speculation & fancy, have no place in the article, but we could perhaps note in relevant articles that the origins of the 4th clan are currently uncertain.-Robbstrd 18:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]