Talk:György Cziffra

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I don't understand... is Georges Cziffra Jr. dead or not? --Missmarple 09:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure he's dead, then. Information on Jr. seems to be very hard to find, I just supposed he was still alive when I wrote the stub on him. — Pladask 18:20, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Date of death 15 January

We show him dying on 17 January, but I’ve found this cite, published on 18 January 1994, a Tuesday, which says he died "on Saturday". The date of that Saturday was 15 January 1994. The German cite (Cziffra Fondation Vienna) we already have also says 15 January. Article changed accordingly. -- JackofOz (talk) 07:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Did he won in Liszt Competition?

I can't find any record. 125.189.33.68 (talk) 15:52, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, the competition was first held in 1986 and the full list of winners is at http://www.liszt.nl/pages/prijswinnaars-1986-2014 JohnHarris (talk) 12:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no claim in the article that he did win it. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jazz

Hi Martin, re [1], just wanted to mention that I think we can find sourcing for Cziffra's work in the Jazz arena. I found this dissertation with Proquest:

"Hungarian gypsy style in the Lisztian spirit: Georges Cziffra's two transcriptions of Brahms' Fifth Hungarian Dance. Loparits, Elizabeth. The University of North Carolina at Greensboro, ProQuest Dissertations Publishing, 2008. 3307209."

Which relates the following:

Cziffra was also an outstanding jazz pianist. Jazz musician Jenõ (Bubi) Beanter remembers that when he first heard Cziffra, he could not believe his ears. He says that Cziffra played Rimsky-Korsakov’s Flight of the Bumblebee at such an astonishing speed that “there could be hardly any bumblebee that could catch up with its pace.”188 Beanter and Cziffra did work together after this, and in their collaboration Cziffra’s work as a jazz pianist was of an outstandingly high quality according to Beanter. He also remarked that it seemed that for Cziffra “one piano at a time is too few. This person needed at least three pianos!”189 Between 1947 and 1950 Cziffra went on European tours with a jazz band.190

References 188, 189 and 190 are as follows:

188 “Cziffra Györgyre emlékezünk,” 1994.
189 “Cziffra Györgyre emlékezünk,” 1994.
190 Peter Seidle, “Georges Cziffra,” in Die Musik in Geschichte und Gegenwart: Allgemeine Enzyklopedie der Musik, ed. Ludwig Finscher, vol. 5 (Kassel: Bärenreiter, 2001), 235.

I'll try to return to this shortly to see if I can verify at least one of those references. What do you think? -Darouet (talk) 14:51, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Darouet. Thanks very much. I would certainly support you adding something along those lines with those sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Martinevans123: great! It looks like references 188–189 are to a PORT.hu documentary, "We remember György Cziffra." I'll add these. -Darouet (talk) 15:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see there is a YouTube clip entitled "CZIFFRA - JAZZ & IMPROVISATION (1978) 1/3 !!!". I'd link to it here but I might get another indef block by User:Fram for possible copyright violation. I think I'd have to agree with one of the commenters over there who says: "Insane technique but there's No swing in this!!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Martinevans123: when you write "Insane technique but there's No swing in this!!!" are you referring to Cziffra's playing or to the potential block? -Darouet (talk) 15:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha. In retrospect, I think it would have to be both! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I guess my original gripe was that there was something in the infobox that wasn't supported in the article text. So I guess we should add there too (and the source(s) could appear just in the text?) Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK will try to get to it shortly. RL obligations over here in academic never-never land... -Darouet (talk) 15:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done [2]. -Darouet (talk) 16:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

We have it as György Cziffra. This is problematical.

The lede starts off:

"Christian Georges Cziffra (Hungarian pronunciation: [ˈɟørɟ ˈt͡sifrɒ]; born Cziffra Krisztián György ...".

Since we acknowledge that the Georges spelling is the primary spelling - and after all, he resided in France most of his adult life - and given that the György spelling appears only in the original name with the surname first, shouldn't the Georges spelling appear in the article name? In virtually all his recordings he was named Georges Cziffra.

I propose we change the article name to Georges Cziffra, and change the lede as follows:

: "(Christian) Georges Cziffra (Hungarian pronunciation: [ˈɟørɟ ˈt͡sifrɒ]; born Cziffra Krisztián György ...".

Thoughts? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 16:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]