Talk:Highland Railway Jones Goods Class

Restoration

Can you please return The Highlander Railway Jones Goods Class 4-6-0 No. 103 to steam service and use it on the railways and main lines? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.244.1 (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

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What tender type does it have?.

@C.Syde65 is trying to figure out what tender this locomotive has. 124.190.12.234 (talk) 07:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@124.190.12.234 I'm also trying to figure out the length of this locomotive (tender included) so that the information can be added to this page. I also need to know the length of the locomotive for a personal project that I'm working on. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 09:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Apparently the locomotive is 17.805 metres long, 3.96 metres tall, and 2.68 metres wide. Though I'm no great shakes at converting the results to a convert template. And even then, it'll probably need to be cited with a source before the information can be added to the page. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 11:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Apparently the tender is a Highland Railway Jones 3,000 Gallon Imperial tender. I've never heard of that type of tender before. No wonder I was having such difficulty trying to determine the type of tender it is. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 14:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@C.Syde65: The best source for information on this class is Cormack & Stevenson (1988), which (on p. 127) shows the length over buffers as 58 feet 4+1⁄2 inches (17.793 m), this will include the tender. Height and width are not given, but few railway books give these unless they are included on dimensioned diagrams, not found in this book.

Anyway, the concept of tender "types" didn't really exist in the 19th century, each railway had its own designs, often designed specifically for the locomotive with which they were intended to run. On each railway, tenders were classified (when necessary) in a descriptive manner, and the easiest description to use was the water capacity; if further refinement was needed, then the designer's name would be used. So "Highland Railway Jones 3,000 Gallon Imperial tender" merely mans that it was a tender of the Highland Railway (which we knew anyway) designed by Jones (also self-explanatory, this being the same David Jones that designed the loco) having a capacity of 3,000 imperial gallons. The word "imperial" wouldn't have been used at the time, since British engineers invariably used imperial gallons (as opposed to U.S. gallons, which are smaller: 3,000 imperial gallons is approximately 3,600 U.S. gallons). 3,000 gallons was quite large for the period, and at the time was the largest on the Highland, where previous designs were never more than 2,250 gallons; but subsequent Highland locomotives (to the designs of Dummond, Smith or Cumming) used tenders having a capacity from 3,000 to 4,000 gallons. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)