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December 26, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

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Change of article focus

Until recently this article just had a very long list of events in the zoo's history. While I was rewriting the list as prose I realised that a lot of the later "history" is just an incomplete and not particularly notable set of news stories. A lot of these don't add much, in my opinion. I'd like to remove a lot of the information, keeping only details which have some broader relevance to the zoo's history. For example, if a citation can be found showing that the 90's really were a bad year for disease then it might be useful to keep some of those examples, but the lists of animals from the next decade seem a bit random. I'd like to expand the sections on events like the war, foot-and-mouth disease, the Highland Wildlife Park, Voytek etc and dramatically shrink or remove a lot of the later information. What are people's views on this? If nobody responds here I'll just go ahead and do it. --Noiratsi (talk) 09:19, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Go for it! It looks much better already, but animals are born and die at zoos all the time, and I agree that most of that is not notable. I also agree with your proposed expansions, which are about the things that actually mattered historically and are currently kind of overshadowed by what amounts to "birth announcements". Don Lammers (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 17:12, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be glad to take this one. I'll do a careful readthrough of the article in the next 3-4 days, followed by a formal checklist of the criteria. Looking forward to working with you. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:12, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be slower than planned in starting on this. I'll do my readthrough now. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:55, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

The lead section should better summarize the article per WP:LEAD. Please make sure all of the article's subsections are covered here. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:55, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding this. I removed one sentence that seemed to me unneeded and perhaps slightly editorializing, but otherwise it looks great. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:53, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First readthrough

"To this day" -- this statement could become dated. Consider "as of December 2012, the zoo was..." or whatever the most up-to-date source is. -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:11, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"a wealthy Scottish publisher and bookseller" and " Scottish accountant William Keith" probably don't need the Scottish--I think the reader will assume these individuals living in Scotland are Scottish unless told otherwise. I could be wrong, though; this one's only a suggestion. -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:14, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like solid work overall, and appears comprehensive. I'll begin the checklist now.

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