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Occupation

I don't think it's correct to list his occupation as yachtsman. My reading of the sources is that he was a professional builder and an amateur yachtsman, before founding Clean Up Australia. So in the box. occupation should read "Environmentalist, builder" (not "Environmentalist, yachtsman"), and "yachtsman" should be added to "Known for". Adpete (talk) 03:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I added yachtsman to occupation, but that's fine by me. --Canley (talk) 03:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Environmentalist, conservationist?

He doesn't really fit the definitions of environmentalist or conservationist given by Wikipedia. He wasn't part of broader movement. He was just inspired to clean up rubbish. I can see no evidence that he was greatly involved in the conservation of flora and fauna or on other environmental issues such as climate change, air pollution, sustainable development etc. He has a fan club, no doubt. Some including Paul Keating suggest that he was the first environmentalist in Australia. This is ridiculous. He founded Clean Up Australia in 1989. The Royal National Park, proclaimed in 1879, was the third national park in the world. The Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park was founded in 1894 after the campaigning of Eccleston du Faur. The Australian Conservation Foundation was founded in 1965. Bob Brown founded a green party in Tasmania in 1972. There is no sense in which Kiernan was pioneering environmentalism. We need to avoid absurd eulogies.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]