Talk:Ironstone's Crown Jewel

Issues

The external link takes you to a group of newspaper articles about this gold find.

I'll work on getting the references built within the article. I'm also looking for the newspaper stories about the governor opening the exhibit, etc. Does anyone have a photo of the governor with the gold specimen that could be added?

As the world's largest sample of crystalline gold -- 8 times bigger than the second biggest piece -- this certainly meets notability requirements! It's a nice piece of Toulumne County history. It's also a big piece of the Calaveras County, California tourist business in bringing people to the Sierra Foothills.

Comments and suggestions welcome!

Here's my ID: MikeVdP (talk) 16:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you kidding? The article is only marginally better. The tone of this article is horrendous and still reads like an advertisement, which is why I'm going to readd that tag. "While it’s called “Ironstone’s Crown Jewel,” it’s not a jewel and it’s not in a crown: it’s the world’s largest piece of crystalline gold" reads almost entirely like an press release. "See Crystal structure - cubic-face centered for a drawing of the arrangement of the gold atoms. Such is the case for this sample" is not the way a Wiki article should be written. The entire page needs a rewrite. Also Adding two or three references doesn't make the page any better; the Display section is still entirely unsourced. Until these issues are resolved, do not remove the tags from the top. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 14:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Deletion?

This is the world's largest piece of crystalline gold. It's worth considering for deletion!!!??? If it's anything less than 45 lbs of gold, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia??? Have the other specimens been proposed for deletion, too? Folks interested in gold, minerals, geology will find Wikipedia pretty barren if this is the plan.

Since it was found before year 2000, there aren't many original sources available on the 'net, so most of the references are newspaper articles from the period.

This has been rewritten to clean it up. Many references have been added. What more is needed? Anyone been to the County Board of Supervisors offices to pull original source materials there? MikeVdP (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

improvements

This has been tagged for improvements since August 2008, but numerous improvements have been made. How are tags removed? Notability??? Is the Hope Diamond notable? References??? Numerous original newspaper articles have been referenced. Access to some of these has even been created outside of Wikipedia. Style -- many improvements have been made. Anyone else interested in improvements are welcome to add them in. MikeVdP (talk) 06:28, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been marked for four months, and there's been no attempt to better it. The only source given to corroborate the supposed fact that this is the largest piece of crystalline gold is a primary source that says so - and actually, that page, http://www.touringandtasting.com/assets/client/File/Ironstone%201%20page.pdf, is a dead link. A handful of the sources are scans hosted on winepi.com, which is some sort of personal website. Other links are blog posts or personal pages, which are unacceptable as sources on Wiki. The last one, hosted on jckonline.com, reads like a press release. This article needs some serious secondary sources. I did a bunch of looking around tonight, and I couldn't find anything. Now it's your turn. You removed the prod and that's okay, but the article can still go up for AfD. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 06:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's see what I can find. Yes, the link is dead, so I'll pull the hard copy of the article and reference that. It's interesting that no gemology magazine seems to have done an article on the world's largest gold specimens -- crystaline and nugget (amorphous). Do you consider references to newspaper articles better or references to the same articles on a website, even if it's a personal type website? Regards 76.191.192.153 (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Either is good; personally I prefer articles on a website, but if it's in print, I have to assume good faith that the article does exist. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 14:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More sources

A large number of scanned newspaper articles that cover the finding the specimen can be found here. Those newspaper articles might be used to improve the Wikipedia article. I've removed the link to the winepi.com page (from the "External links" section) because it's too indirect - we don't, for example, send readers to index pages at newspaper sites. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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