Talk:José Vasconcelos

antisemite?

The article contained two quotes that seeked to imply that Vasconcelos was antisemitic/Hitler sympathizer. I fixed on of them to show the larger context that is not antisemitic. From http://www.filosofia.org/aut/001/razacos.htm :

"Cada uno de los grandes pueblos de la Historia se ha creído el final y el elegido. Cuando se comparan unas con otras estas infantiles soberbias, se mira que la misión que cada pueblo se atribuye no es en el fondo otra cosa que afán de botín y deseo de exterminar a la potencia rival. La misma ciencia oficial es en cada época un reflejo de esa soberbia de la raza dominante. Los hebreos fundaron la creencia de su superioridad en oráculos y promesas divinas. Los ingleses radican la suya en observaciones propias domésticas. De la observación de cruzamientos y variedades hereditarias de dichos animales fue saliendo el darwinismo, primero como una modesta teoría zoológica, después como biología social que otorga la preponderancia definitiva al inglés sobre todas las demás razas. Todo imperialismo necesita de una filosofía ..."

Whoever wrote the other should either make a section on his antisemitism/nazi sympathies or remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.151.61 (talk) 09:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

There was a section on Vasconcelos' antisemitism and advocacy of what some might regard as cultural genocide earlier in the article, but it was removed. 71.118.50.26 (talk) 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The section on his antisemitism should be included back. It is an unfortunate fact that Vasconcelos, after he lost the election of 1929, became a bitter man full of hatred and became of had shadow of his former self. Unfortunately the Vasconcelos from La Raza Cosmica wasn't the same man who later wrote a history of Mexico full of racists statements, xenophobic screeds, and anti-semitic rants in a popular history of Mexico that has been published more or less continuously since the 40s and 50s. It was a sad end for a person who created the national education system of Mexico, and who was a man of a solid integrity and devotion to democracy.

And example of this is that in the chapter on Plutarco Elias Calles of his history, he accuses Calles of being a crypto Jew, a Muslim, an Arab, a U.S. and Soviet puppet(?!).

Vasconcelos is the education grandfather of all modern Mexicans who have gone to public schools. Even people in the left in Mexico dance around his later bigoted self and only mention it indirectly. To me it feels as if an uncle that I loved went crazy in his later days. And reading those chapters made me cringed so much that I had to stop reading it. Unfortunately, this is the truth. --66.173.142.227 (talk) 02:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Its funny when you look at Mel Gibson's wiki his anti-semetic behavior is noted.Vasconcelos was much more influential than Mel and twice as hateful. Where is the section about his hate filled antics? Its sort of like having a Hitler page and leaving off the Holocaust. Has Wikipedia lost all integrity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.176.85 (talk) 14:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Vasconcelos was more influential than Mel Gibson is but his "anti-semetic [sic] behavior" was not, at least not significantly so. Mel Gibson isn't historically influential in any verifiable way at all, anti-semitic or not. Hitler's anti-semitism had world-history-defining consequences. Evidence of Vasconcelos' antisemiticism came well after his public influence had subsided to almost nothing. That's not to excuse it, and it should probably be mentioned in the article in an general discussion of his later writings and legacy, but Hitler comparisons are, as usual, unwarranted. The racialism and racism of "The Cosmic Race" was far more influential by writing indigenous Latin Americans out of future history. The first note on this talk page cites "The Cosmic Race" to argue that Vasconcelos wasn't antisemitic. Two problems: the quote argues against imperialism based on ideologies of race purity and supremacy, which is compatible with antisemitism but does not necessarily imply any belief in universal racial equality. The rest of the essay demonstrates that Vasconcelos did not believe in racial equality. Secondly, "The Cosmic Race" was written more than a decade before Vasconcelos expressed approval of Nazism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BretN (talk • contribs) 09:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

This Life magazine article from June 10, 1940, point out on page 52 that Jose Vasconcelos was a Nazi collaborator. Isnt this an important facet of the mans character and influence? Why is his history as a Nazi supporter omitted? https://books.google.com/books?id=4j8EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA51&dq=vasconcelos+nazi&pg=PA52&hl=en#v=onepage&q=vasconcelos%20nazi&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.242.52 (talk) 17:46, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

The Cosmic Race as Science Fiction

In discussing "The Cosmic Race" the article previously read: "(Contrary to popular belief, 'The cosmic race' is not a science fiction work). Since there is no citation given for this popular belief, and the work can indeed be considered science fictional ), I've removed it. The rest of the description is enough to demonstrate that "The Cosmic Race" isn't science fictional in the same sense that a science fiction novel is, and a debate on genre would be a distraction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BretN (talk • contribs) 08:25, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

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He apparently ran a newspaper

I was engaged in a search for something else, and in the process happened upon this. The third of the quotes on the page ("page 122") reads in part "..the German legation subsidized Timón, the right-wing newspaper of former Mexican education secretary Vasconcelos, a publication that constantly printed pro-Axis and anti-U.S. articles and editorials."

While Timón is mentioned once in the article, it is only as part of a citation. I think it deserves more space, and I hope there is someone out there with the knowledge and sources to be able to add more (or indeed anything) about it. Harfarhs (talk) 23:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)