Talk:Juan Matta-Ballesteros

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I propose to drop this- In 1978, it was rumored[who?] that Matta had become business partners with General Policarpo Paz García, and had directly financed the Honduran "Cocaine Coup" that brought Paz into power. It is thought that from this relationship, Matta became involved in the Nicaraguan Contra movement.[citation needed] There is no source verifying this and it seems like conjecture. If no one replies in 48 hours I'll assume no one cares.MephYazata (talk) 04:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Remove. I couldn't find any source that could be used and replace the "it was rumored" with a "newspaper xyw mentioned in 1978 that a relationship between JMB and PP existed" Wikihonduras (talk) 21:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

A new edit has been related to the above which added a source which states

According to a 1978 DEA intelligence report, Matta had become business partners with General Policarpo Paz García, and had directly financed the Honduran "Cocaine Coup" that brought Paz into power.

The source given is a website called Scoop which published a story written by Jerry Meldon which states that A 1978 DEA intelligence report cited by James Mills in his penetrating study, The Underground Empire, noted that Matta had financed a coup d’etat in his native Honduras that was led by his partner, Gen. Policarpo Paz Garcia.

So essentially the link that is offered as a source for the CIA report, is a link to an article by someone, which cites a book written by someone else, who he claims has a reference to the CIA report. Since this deals with biographies of living person, should we stick to providing the actual link to the CIA report, in case is not available remove the claim. Wikihonduras (talk) 09:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

There is no requirement that sources be accessible online, and a 1978 DEA report (not CIA!! rather important distinction in this context!) is hardly likely to be. Further, WP:PSTS encourages us to use secondary sources, not primary ones, where possible. I'm not saying this is the best source imaginable, but it's a start, and it's good enough to keep the material in the absence of any contradictory sources. Rd232 ^talk 10:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the mix up! Actually I was not talking about primary vs secondary or that it had to be online. In this case it doesn't seem to be a secondary source, since the source its not relying on the actual report for its analysis. Since the DEA report is mentioned to be a source in a book, which is cited in the reference given isn't this a tertiary source? Should the "get it right" apply here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikihonduras (talk • contribs) 11:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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Cocaine coup

This is a follow-up to the previous section. The article originally had the following paragraph:

According to a 1978 DEA intelligence report, Matta had become business partners with General Policarpo Paz García, and had directly financed the Honduran "Cocaine Coup" that brought Paz into power. Under Paz, Matta's trafficking operations received protection and support from the Honduran armed forces, in exchange for a cut of the proceeds from the drugs.

The ultimate source of this claim is James Mills book, Underground Empire. This is a highly unreliable work to put it mildly, certainly inadequate for BLP standards, should have been deleted long ago. Please comment here before restoring. Rgr09 (talk) 07:50, 19 October 2016 (UTC)